‘The bottom line is that if not for the actions of the Irgun and Lechi (aka the Stern Gang), the Brits would not have left Israel/Palestine.’
Rubbish. The British would have left, all the terrorism did was make us leave earlier. Remember, even by 1947, the Empire was decreasing.
Also, your argument basically says that terrorism is ok. So what the IRA or any group does is ok. By that ‘logic’, terrorism against Americans in Saudi Arabia, Africa, the USS Cole and elsewhere is justifiable. After all, you were in a country/countries that are not your own. So these groups had every right to drive you out
Please therefore quit whinin’ about Beirut 1983, the USS Cole, Riyadh, the 1998 embassy bombings.
So terrorism is evil as long as certain groups do it.
Gotcha.
Duly noted.
‘During the 1948 Israeli War of Independence the Brits flew fighter jets for the Egyptians against the Jewish State.’
LOL, what a pitifully selective memory/knowledge you have.
Firstly, the ‘Brits’ did no such thing. The British who did fought in the Arab Legion, not the British armed forces. In fact, ALL British officers in the Arab Legion were instructed to return to Transjordan. ALL officers returned without question. And there were public and press calls for the officers to be courtmartialled and imprisoned for serving in a foreign army.
Secondly, clearly you are ignorant of the Battle of Ramat David, where the British fought WITH the Israelis. RAF planes in the battle defeated an attack by the Egyptian Air Force. So the only official military action taken by Britain in 1948 was to HELP and DEFEND Israel.
You’re welcome.
‘As for your jab at America, America never occupied Israel/Palestine and was never charged with the creation of a Jewish Homeland. Britain had that legal and moral obligation and did not live up to its responsibilities.’
Britain had Palestine for just 30 years. And last I looked the Balfour Declaration was named after a British man (a Scot in fact).
Amazing....
America did nothing to set up a Jewish state and did nothing to save hundreds of thousands of Jews. America did nothing to stop the rise and conquest of the Nazis.
Britain writes the Balfour Declaration and stands longest and alone againat the Nazis.
And yet we are the ones getting judgement passed on us?.
And Americans think they have the right to pass judgement?.
Two words.
And the second one is off.
My only regret is that Stern and Lechi did not act earlier and spare some of Europe’s Jew.
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“Also, your argument basically says that terrorism is ok. So what the IRA or any group does is ok. By that ‘logic’, terrorism against Americans in Saudi Arabia, Africa, the USS Cole and elsewhere is justifiable. After all, you were in a country/countries that are not your own. So these groups had every right to drive you out
Please therefore quit whinin’ about Beirut 1983, the USS Cole, Riyadh, the 1998 embassy bombings.”
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You fail to make the moral distinction between attacks on civilian targets and attacks on military targets. You fail to distinguish between Britain’s positive obligations to allow Jews into a Jewish State and America’s passive failure to volunteer to take Jews onto its soil.
Moral equivalency is the basis of anti-Israel condemnation around the world, and is the hallmark of current anti-Semitism and the multicultural left.
9/11 was an attack on a wholly civilian target in a time of peace, directed at a target with no relationship to the attackers.
If you can’t see the difference you are morally bereft.
“Two words.
And the second one is off.”
This is how conversations end.
I plead ignorance to the British alliance with Israel in the Battle of Ramat David in 1948. I googled it and did not get a hit. Please enlighten us.
I am aware of British military cooperation and alliance with Israel only in the 1956 Suez campaign.
Also I am well aware of the Christian Zionists such as L. George and Balfour and am impressed and thankful. So you have a point, Britain was largely responsible for the creation of the Jewish State.
As noted, the truism of “states have no friends only interests” probably explains the British tilt towards the Arabs when petroleum resources were concentrated in Arab countries. So they changed and did not support a Jewish State anymore.
As for America, I agree that their support of Israel had been erratic and imperfect. Again, oil.
I will not address the IRA point as I do not feel comfortable with my knowledge of the conflict but it seems the Brits are occupying a country not their own and the Irish are fighting for their freedom. So at least I am consistent.
As for attacks against the US in Arab countries, Beirut, Cole etc perhaps the Americans shouldn’t be in Arab countries.
I will draw the line at the 9/11 attacks in NYC.