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Fast and Furious a program that went south
yumasun.com ^ | 17 June, 2012 | John Vaughn

Posted on 06/18/2012 5:47:12 AM PDT by marktwain

I see Attorney General Eric Holder is getting grilled again by Congress about Fast and Furious, the operation in which the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms stood by as straw purchasers illegally bought guns in Arizona for Mexican drug traffickers.

Apart from legal and political issues surrounding Fast and Furious, I wish someone would explain to me why this was supposed to be a good idea in the first place.

I could see ATF trying catch to straw purchasers in the act of buying. But having let the buyers walk away from the gun shops, what did the agency expect to achieve, if and when the guns got into traffickers' hands in Mexico — where ATF has no authority?

One of the guns turned up at the scene of the killing of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Even without Fast and Furious, the traffickers Terry faced would have been armed.

That said, Fast and Furious was a plan that went south, in more ways than one.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2deadfeds; 300deadmexicans; atf; banglist; brianterry; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; jaimezapata; murdergate; obama; terry; zapata
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At least some news is leaking out into the MSM.
1 posted on 06/18/2012 5:47:16 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: MestaMachine

Gunwalker / Murdergate ping.

While the trafficers might well have still been armed, it might not have been with the help and sanction of the U.S. Government.


2 posted on 06/18/2012 5:49:26 AM PDT by marktwain
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I'm no expert, but I thought the plan was this:

Take American-made guns and give them to really bad people.
Stand by while the really bad people did really bad things with American-made guns.
Introduce US legislation to punish American gun manufacturers and diminish the right to keep and bear arms.

The plan "went south" when people found out about it. Up until that point, it was working as designed.

3 posted on 06/18/2012 5:51:34 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (On the subject of illegal immigrants: It's a case of Us against Them -- and Obama is one of Them.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

F&F wasn’t a Plan it was a Conspiratorial, Criminal, Traitorous Scheme.


4 posted on 06/18/2012 5:54:10 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: marktwain

Fast and Furious was never ‘north’ to begin with.


5 posted on 06/18/2012 5:59:31 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: marktwain
Fast and Furious a program that went south caught Obama and Holder with their pants down.
6 posted on 06/18/2012 5:59:40 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Romney - not Obama - not a Conservative - not a real Christian)
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To: ClearCase_guy

And as Obama said it was under the radar. Clearly criminal but nobody gets punished.


7 posted on 06/18/2012 6:01:36 AM PDT by satan (Plumbing new depths of worthlessness on a daily basis.)
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To: marktwain

The intent was to manufacture evidence to advance the government’s anti-gun narrative that US gun sellers were responsible for Mexican gun violence.


8 posted on 06/18/2012 6:07:30 AM PDT by skeeter
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Read no further, ClearCase_guy has the answer:

I'm no expert, but I thought the plan was this:

Take American-made guns and give them to really bad people. Stand by while the really bad people did really bad things with American-made guns.

Introduce US legislation to punish American gun manufacturers and diminish the right to keep and bear arms.

The plan "went south" when people found out about it. Up until that point, it was working as designed.

9 posted on 06/18/2012 6:08:20 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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Fast and Furious was never ‘north’ to begin with.

This begs the question of ... the hundreds of millions of 40cal ammo (the boys and girls in D.C. purchased with tax dollars), and where did that ammo go?

11 posted on 06/18/2012 6:13:19 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: marktwain
The ATF may be trying something differant.
12 posted on 06/18/2012 6:27:57 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: marktwain

Name any government program that hasn’t “gone south”......


13 posted on 06/18/2012 6:30:41 AM PDT by GraceG
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Fast and Furious went so far south that it passed McMurdo Base...

F&F went so far south that it’s zip code is the south pole.


14 posted on 06/18/2012 6:33:01 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: bmwcyle

Sad part is that position so natural to the Presidents favorite special interest group is now accepted by too many Americans.That this Administration commits criminal acts is only a symptom of the disease destroying America today.What else can one expect of our firstanti-American President ever.


15 posted on 06/18/2012 6:43:59 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: marktwain

Perhaps, as the author digs deeper into the issue, he’ll discover that F&F was a deliberate attack on the second ammendment that includes cover-ups, hits on whistleblowers and the murder of hundreds of Mexican citizens.

It stinks from the top down, is bigger than Watergate, and the author thinks that it is “a program that went south”


16 posted on 06/18/2012 7:05:41 AM PDT by kidd
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To: ClearCase_guy

Exactly.


17 posted on 06/18/2012 7:08:11 AM PDT by Eagles6
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To: ClearCase_guy

Brian Terry truly gave his life in the service of his country .... without his death, not so sure F & F would ever have been exposed and the American people would be one step closer to being disarmed. This was a MAJOR & nefarious plot to disarm America ... the lies, deceit, corruption, moral bankruptcy, and sheer gall of the Left to even try this points out clearly that we truly do have to stand up and fight the ‘enemy within’.


18 posted on 06/18/2012 7:08:25 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: marktwain

The Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is an agency designed by the feds to bring fear to the citizens of this country.

They obviously have not been getting as much attention as they like, so enter fast and furious which back fired.

If an ex criminal commits a crime the question is always ask, why was he running loose to begin with?

The same question should be ask here, why does the American people put up with these Government hoodlums, why are they not disposed of?

Why should freedom loving Americans have to pay multi millions of dollars a year to an organization whose sole purpose is to take these freedoms away.


19 posted on 06/18/2012 7:08:52 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: marktwain

Has anyone mentioned the possibility that cartel money was being funneled to the highest government levels in DC?


20 posted on 06/18/2012 7:17:07 AM PDT by RiverDrifter
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