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Women Don't Belong in Ranger School
Wall Street Journal ^ | 6-12-12 | Stephen Kilcullen

Posted on 06/13/2012 3:41:24 PM PDT by kingattax

The United States Army is debating whether to admit women to Ranger School, its elite training program for young combat leaders.

Proponents argue this is to remove a final impediment to the careers of Army women. But the move would erode the unique Ranger ethos and culture—not to mention the program's rigorous physical requirements—harming its core mission of cultivating leaders willing to sacrifice everything for our nation.

The Army's 75th Ranger Regiment traces its roots back to World War II, when it won acclaim for penetrating deep behind Japanese lines. Founded in 1950, Ranger School teaches combat soldiers small-unit tactics and leadership under extreme duress. It pushes men harder than any other program in the Army's curriculum.

Competition to attend the course is fierce, with about 4,000 men eligible to attend each year. Only about half graduate. Of those, only 20% make it through without having to retake various phases.

For decades, completion of Ranger School has been the best indicator for determining which young men can handle the enormous responsibility of combat leadership

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To: Trailerpark Badass

Then too, that DS would eat your lunch and not even burp.


41 posted on 06/13/2012 4:45:50 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: kingattax

As I understand it allowing women in the previously all male military occupations inevitably involves a serious reduction in physical and psychological requirements.


42 posted on 06/13/2012 4:46:30 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: MortMan

Sorry, Field Artillery is a Combat Arm.


43 posted on 06/13/2012 4:46:57 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: kingattax

All of the women playing football in the NFL should try out.


44 posted on 06/13/2012 4:48:37 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SkyDancer

Women are rarely the physical equals of men.


45 posted on 06/13/2012 4:49:30 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: rlmorel
I agree with you.

My daughter could take almost anybody apart. Repeat - "almost".

46 posted on 06/13/2012 4:49:40 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: trisham

Try passing something the size of a watermelon though a body opening then come back and tell me women are rarely the physical equal of men.


47 posted on 06/13/2012 4:51:23 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: SkyDancer

As for combat pilots - I don’t know. I just don’t have the personal knowledge to make form an informed judgment on the matter.

If all goes well in a sortie, the pilots return to a (relatively) safe place, where they recuperate and plan the next mission.

There are some psychological issues that arise if a woman is captured - and I’m speaking of the nation, and fellow soldiers/airmen/marines/seamen/etc. Remember the female transportation spec4 during the Iraq war?

But a combat pilot role is different than an infantry or armor role, where physical strength and stamina are specific reasons for survival or not. And not just the individual, but the whole unit is imperiled.

Thank you for discussing this with me reasonably, and I hope I have risen to that same standard.


48 posted on 06/13/2012 4:51:41 PM PDT by MortMan (Americans are a people increasingly separated by our connectivity.)
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To: kingattax
From time to time, some women could pass the physical qualifications as they presently exist. However, that's just one criteria.

The same woman would have to pass the orienteering. Women are naturally disadvantaged versus men when it comes to orienteering. So, a big part of the women passing the physical qualifications would wash out because they can't naturally figure out where they are or how to get where they need to be.

Finally, there's the general mental aspect that washes out many male candidates who show up in supreme physical condition. The end result being, no woman could regularly qualify based on present criteria.

49 posted on 06/13/2012 4:52:12 PM PDT by fso301
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To: SkyDancer
Photobucket These are real women soldiers. The guy is my Father's best friend. The picture was taken in June 1945 in Berlin Germany. Daddy said they were actually nice girls.
50 posted on 06/13/2012 4:54:07 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: MortMan
The regs for females are there due to hygiene issues turning into medical ones.

This, alone, is an insurmountable problem.

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Absolutely. Our physical limitations are fact.

51 posted on 06/13/2012 4:54:32 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: occamrzr06

Thanks for the correction. Memory doesn’t always serve! ;-P


52 posted on 06/13/2012 4:55:12 PM PDT by MortMan (Americans are a people increasingly separated by our connectivity.)
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To: SkyDancer
Persist in your fantatic delusions. It means nothing to me.

I didn't make the rules.

53 posted on 06/13/2012 4:56:11 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: yarddog

I read about women partisans during WWII in Russia. A German soldier did not want to be captured by them. They were tough beyond words.


54 posted on 06/13/2012 4:56:51 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: SkyDancer

That has nothing to do with warfare and the ability to overpower an opponent.


55 posted on 06/13/2012 4:57:51 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SkyDancer

If you think warfare is simply another form of athletics, you scare me.


56 posted on 06/13/2012 4:58:38 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: kingattax
Rember when all the 'Sisters' at the Pentagon and the MSM tried to make Jessica Lynch into a John Joan Wayne?

What a farce that turned out to be!

57 posted on 06/13/2012 5:00:30 PM PDT by QT3.14 (Never Argue With A LIBERAL...They Will Drag You Down To Their Level, Then Beat You With Experience!)
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To: MortMan
You're quite welcome. I like coming here discussing intelligent topics. Thank you for your time. Incidentally, you might like to read about Russian women pilots during WWII. You'd find it quite facinating.

Regards, Janey

58 posted on 06/13/2012 5:00:43 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: SkyDancer

I have no doubt that some women could be effective killers in certain situations. Many are even very durable.

On the other hand, I doubt there is a single woman in the world, not a single one, who could complete elite military training.

The reason I know this is there is no woman who could compete with elite male athletes in the Olympics. No woman has the speed or strength to compete. That is not opinion it is easily proven fact. Just look at the world records, at least where the competition is for the exact same thing.


59 posted on 06/13/2012 5:02:16 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: SkyDancer
They were tough beyond words.

They were cruel beyond words, they were not equally qualified with the German soldiers who fell into their hands.

10 year old boys, 70 year old women, crippled one eye old geezers, anyone can torture a prisoner, but it doesn't make them able to compete as full well rounded warriors on a battlefield.

60 posted on 06/13/2012 5:02:35 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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