Posted on 06/07/2012 9:23:42 AM PDT by scottjewell
A 14-year-old radio show host has come out and condemned President Barack Obama for 'making kids gay' by supporting homosexual's civil rights. Caiden Cowger, who has interviewed the likes of Herman Caine and hobnobbed with Rudy Giuliani, posted a four and a half minute video on May 26 in which he insists homosexuality is a choice - and a sin. The video immediately drew the ire of dozens of people and was eventually removed from YouTube for promoting hate speech, while Caiden's account was hacked and deleted, the teen told the MailOnline.
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If he did not distinguish between same-sex orientaztion, which is in many, nearly all, cases, not chosen, and homosexual acts, which are chosen, then he’s not smart.
Evangelicals far too often fail or refuse to make this distinction. It is crucial to the debate. Same-sex orientation is not genetic, no one is born with it. But that doesn’t mean that those who have this orientation chose it. It results in most cases from things done to them and a failure of those who should help them grow into mature heterosexual adults to do so.
One is free to refuse to act upon the orientation. To act according to it is a sin. The orientation itself is not natural, is disordered, is not good, but it is not a moral choice or sin. For something to be sin it has to be chosen. Disorders are not chosen.
Evangelicals often use “homosexuality” ambiguously. If they want to stand up for the faith, they need to learn to distinguish between chosen acts (which are sin) and the unchosen orientation, which is disordered but not sin.
Excellent and apt comment! Bravo.
His speech, in our era, is merely unpopular.
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Bet you a million dollars it isn’t.
Exactly; point well made. Only can you edit, as you accidentally wrote “were” rather than “weren’t”, which I am assuming you meant. ;)
Because, yes, the numbers are increasing via indoctrination, which is causing mass confusion. True homosexuals are a minority of about 1-2 %. As I have always said, they deserve the rights to privacy and autonomy. What they do NOT deserve is a cultural agenda to increase their numbers many thousand fold.
Calling the orientation a disorder will, of course, be denounced as hate speech by the gay activists. I expect someday to go to prison for calling it a disorder.
When I urge my Evangelical brothers to distinguish between disordered but unchosen orientation and chosen and immoral acts, I do not fool myself into thinking that that will get us off the hook with the gays. It won’t.
But the distinction accords with the best psycho-social studies of the matter—done by NARTH—Christian, mostly but not all Catholic—researchers who have paid dearly for sticking up for the truth. They continue to deal with the orientation as a serious and unnatural disorder but not as freely chosen behavior. They are ostracized and persecuted for it. But their research supports making the distinction.
Not to make the distinction renders one’s arguments utterly indefensible. Making the distinction accords with the truth and with the science and with decent theology: for something to be sinful it has to be freely chosen.
Now, the 14-year-old hot shot might have a partial point in the case of teenagers who do not actually have an induced, unchosen same-sex orientation but are manipulated into thinking they do. There might be an element of choice there. But even in those cases, they aren’t really free actors but have been lied to and manipulated by the activists.
States of mind can, in the long term, be influenced by habits of behavior. So there aren’t absolutely airtight partitions between the two.
If homosexuality were recognized in society as a bad habit — as overeating or habitual drunkenness or fingernail biting or such — and, along with its cravings, addressed as such, there would be much less problem with it; and IMHO, such a society would be more humane (although it still could not be perfect).
I agree with you. He is, after all, only 14 years of age (he just turned 14, just awhile ago, he was referred to as “the 13 year old talk-radio host”). But you are right: I do not believe that God judges natural born homosexuals, even when they act on it. We are all of us sinners. What God DOES judge is a mass cultural agenda of decadence. They are two different things. I believe Caiden is rightly condemning the latter , not the former. But at 14, he does not know how to express this well.
“Bet you a million dollars it isn’t.”
OK; I’ll bite. You mean you think there is a silent majority? Well, when will they speak up? For every one “like” Caiden receives on YouTube and Facebook, there are thousands of “Dislike”s and liberal rants. So, why is the majority silent? I believe because they are quietly wishing all this will pass. It won’t. Not without action.
I doubt that youtube has people involved in the process. If a big enough mob of people flag a video as hate speech, then it will be removed as hate speech, automatically by software.
God “judges” all morally informed behaviors in the sense of deeming them right or wrong. If God did not do that, God couldn’t be just.
The message of Christianity, at least, is that condemnation is now optional, and can be averted through acceptance of free salvation from God, which sets a human life on a new basis.
Oh really?
Same-sex orientation is not genetic, no one is born with it
You can't have it both ways. Homosex attraction must be either instinctual or learned behavior. If-as you claim-it isn't genetic, then according to established behavioral science it must be learned. What mechanism do you propose by which people acquire the homosex "orientation"?
Or are you just taking a shot at evangelicals?
Yes, I agree. NARTH, though, has had no better luck on YouTube or Facebook than the boy. Science itself cannot stand up to this agenda, socially.
I think homosexual behavior, especially in excess, could be considered socially as smoking has (they have had NO problems overriding rights to liberty in that venue!). Or drug or alcohol abuse. By thundering about hell, it makes people even more defensive. But we have gone to the point where even to call it a bad habit is punishable.
I do not believe God judges anyone adapting to a disorder: It is the vast cultural agenda, driven by forces not even gay , which is the abomination.
Yes, and that software is intended to favor numbers. Better call in a tribunal to make an actual judgment. Majority rule can spell oppression. Not good for democracy.
YouTube and FaceBook are FAR from representative of the population at large.
Additionally, contructive conservatives are too busy to counter the assortment of repetitive posts by zealots and professional activists deployed by the Left.
Just because the majority is silent doesn’t mean they do not exist.
There is a simmering resentment about all aspects of the Homosexual agenda.
Did you read what I wrote?
Unchosen behavior can result from things that happen to you after birth.
Something can be non-inborn yet also not chosen. All developmental psychological disorders are not inborn but neither are they chosen.
That was exactly what my comment said. You are the one who took a shot. It is my observation that many Evangelicals here on FR and elsewhere refuse to make this distinction. They are shooting themselves in the foot. I’m giving a friendly amendment.
Although not a doctor of anything the ones I’ve known in life who are gay the girls had early childhood sexual experiences with men or had early sexual teen experiences where they were hurt and could not heal they felt.
Just saying....
When all is said and done, I think it comes down to this - whether or not you are judging religiously or socially:
Our problem is not homosexuals, who are clearly of two camps: Some with an inborn disorder, some with a psychological disorder. These are individuals, and it is really none of our business how they choose to address such disorder.
What our problem is, both as citizens (American and global) and Christians , is the huge gay agenda, infiltrating everywhere, and recruiting youth. This is the enemy. And it was liberals and feminists, who far outnumber homosexuals, who devised and furthered this, for their own ends.
“There is a simmering resentment about all aspects of the Homosexual agenda.”
Will this simmering boil over at some point?
“If-as you claim-it isn’t genetic, then according to established behavioral science it must be learned.”
Yes. And I referred you to the best research that suggests that it is “learned” in response to abuse, absent fathers, missing help in learning to respond to “manly” and “feminine” expectations of children.
Before you spout off, read the NARTH research. They have have simply continued the psychology mainstream assumption that it is a disorder, until it was taken out of the diagnostic manual on political, not clinical, grounds.
The orientation is, in most cases, learned but not chosen. Specific acts by those who have the disorder are chosen and are immoral, depending on the degree of consent and deliberate choice.
Yes, it is a needed amendment. Much needed. This other is self-defeating, and not taken seriously by liberals or the gay movement.
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