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To: Houghton M.
If he did not distinguish between same-sex orientaztion, which is in many, nearly all, cases, not chosen, and homosexual acts, which are chosen, then he’s not smart.

Oh really?

Same-sex orientation is not genetic, no one is born with it

You can't have it both ways. Homosex attraction must be either instinctual or learned behavior. If-as you claim-it isn't genetic, then according to established behavioral science it must be learned. What mechanism do you propose by which people acquire the homosex "orientation"?

Or are you just taking a shot at evangelicals?

31 posted on 06/07/2012 10:30:43 AM PDT by jboot (Emperor: "How will this end?" Kosh: "In fire.")
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To: jboot

Did you read what I wrote?

Unchosen behavior can result from things that happen to you after birth.

Something can be non-inborn yet also not chosen. All developmental psychological disorders are not inborn but neither are they chosen.

That was exactly what my comment said. You are the one who took a shot. It is my observation that many Evangelicals here on FR and elsewhere refuse to make this distinction. They are shooting themselves in the foot. I’m giving a friendly amendment.


35 posted on 06/07/2012 10:40:00 AM PDT by Houghton M. (t)
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To: jboot

When all is said and done, I think it comes down to this - whether or not you are judging religiously or socially:

Our problem is not homosexuals, who are clearly of two camps: Some with an inborn disorder, some with a psychological disorder. These are individuals, and it is really none of our business how they choose to address such disorder.

What our problem is, both as citizens (American and global) and Christians , is the huge gay agenda, infiltrating everywhere, and recruiting youth. This is the enemy. And it was liberals and feminists, who far outnumber homosexuals, who devised and furthered this, for their own ends.


37 posted on 06/07/2012 10:41:21 AM PDT by scottjewell (homosexual agenda,)
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To: jboot

“If-as you claim-it isn’t genetic, then according to established behavioral science it must be learned.”

Yes. And I referred you to the best research that suggests that it is “learned” in response to abuse, absent fathers, missing help in learning to respond to “manly” and “feminine” expectations of children.

Before you spout off, read the NARTH research. They have have simply continued the psychology mainstream assumption that it is a disorder, until it was taken out of the diagnostic manual on political, not clinical, grounds.

The orientation is, in most cases, learned but not chosen. Specific acts by those who have the disorder are chosen and are immoral, depending on the degree of consent and deliberate choice.


39 posted on 06/07/2012 10:45:31 AM PDT by Houghton M. (t)
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