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To: scottjewell

If he did not distinguish between same-sex orientaztion, which is in many, nearly all, cases, not chosen, and homosexual acts, which are chosen, then he’s not smart.

Evangelicals far too often fail or refuse to make this distinction. It is crucial to the debate. Same-sex orientation is not genetic, no one is born with it. But that doesn’t mean that those who have this orientation chose it. It results in most cases from things done to them and a failure of those who should help them grow into mature heterosexual adults to do so.

One is free to refuse to act upon the orientation. To act according to it is a sin. The orientation itself is not natural, is disordered, is not good, but it is not a moral choice or sin. For something to be sin it has to be chosen. Disorders are not chosen.

Evangelicals often use “homosexuality” ambiguously. If they want to stand up for the faith, they need to learn to distinguish between chosen acts (which are sin) and the unchosen orientation, which is disordered but not sin.


21 posted on 06/07/2012 10:12:18 AM PDT by Houghton M. (t)
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To: Houghton M.

States of mind can, in the long term, be influenced by habits of behavior. So there aren’t absolutely airtight partitions between the two.

If homosexuality were recognized in society as a bad habit — as overeating or habitual drunkenness or fingernail biting or such — and, along with its cravings, addressed as such, there would be much less problem with it; and IMHO, such a society would be more humane (although it still could not be perfect).


26 posted on 06/07/2012 10:19:34 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Houghton M.

I agree with you. He is, after all, only 14 years of age (he just turned 14, just awhile ago, he was referred to as “the 13 year old talk-radio host”). But you are right: I do not believe that God judges natural born homosexuals, even when they act on it. We are all of us sinners. What God DOES judge is a mass cultural agenda of decadence. They are two different things. I believe Caiden is rightly condemning the latter , not the former. But at 14, he does not know how to express this well.


27 posted on 06/07/2012 10:21:38 AM PDT by scottjewell (homosexual agenda,)
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To: Houghton M.
If he did not distinguish between same-sex orientaztion, which is in many, nearly all, cases, not chosen, and homosexual acts, which are chosen, then he’s not smart.

Oh really?

Same-sex orientation is not genetic, no one is born with it

You can't have it both ways. Homosex attraction must be either instinctual or learned behavior. If-as you claim-it isn't genetic, then according to established behavioral science it must be learned. What mechanism do you propose by which people acquire the homosex "orientation"?

Or are you just taking a shot at evangelicals?

31 posted on 06/07/2012 10:30:43 AM PDT by jboot (Emperor: "How will this end?" Kosh: "In fire.")
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