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Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Click here to pledge your support! ^ | May 4, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.

We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!

We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!

And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!

Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!

The Republic we save may be our own!!

As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.

Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!

We are the resistance!!

Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!

Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!

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To: Jim Robinson

I’ll vote the lesser of 2 evils in the presidency. Congress and local elections will weigh heavily in the next few years. What’s more difficult to tackle is the lame RINOs that the RNC keeps putting up for presidential election. It’s downright maddening.

Newt would’ve been a better candidate but I don’t think he’s THE ONE, either. For them to not give Palin the time of day shows just how screwed up they are.

341 posted on 05/04/2012 9:05:14 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: TheRhinelander

All that is beyond my control abotu who got zotted and why. But I sure wouldn’t like this site to turn into Mitt Romney Central.

I just like that I can express my opinions against Romney while every other so-called conservative site is trying to tone down the rhetoric and back the guy. I’m not one of those to one day dislike a candidate and then next just make peace, not with a Romney who represents all that is wrong with the party.

I can swallow that some votes will go to Romney by some real conservatives because there hands were tied and they felt the need to “to beat Obama above all else” so they want to look at it that way by voting for Romney.

But I am free to vote third party and dislike Romney. I gather that the party is broken beyond repair. This site is just a sign of the situation and discord within the republican party and conservative base. But all some people are pushing is the party unity line when it is broken and will be real hard to unify.

I assure you my opinions might get me banned on other sites because I don’t fall in line with the “super-duper” Romney.

342 posted on 05/04/2012 9:05:22 AM PDT by Mozilla (Constitution Party 2012)
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To: MSSC6644

If Romney cared about the republic he would have not run for the Presidency. Being a mAasshole should eliminate someone from national office out of hand. Romney knows damn well his candidacy is turning the Republican Party inside out and into the whig Party. Curse him and all RINO’s.

343 posted on 05/04/2012 9:06:51 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: betty boop
Virgil Goode has absolutely zero chance to be elected president. He has zero name recognition. There are only six months to go....

Just because he is a thoroughly good man, and the Constitution Party has the best platform out there (IMHO), doesn't mean that he can possibly be elected president, regardless of what we do in the next six months. (Short of direct divine intervention, of course.)

Let's face it - this thread is about surrender. Plain and simple.

If conservatives were really as worthy as we like to thump our chest and point to ourselves as being, we'd get out and work for a real conservative - six months or no - instead of rolling over and pulling the Rom-knee pads out of the drawer.

344 posted on 05/04/2012 9:07:39 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: Jim Robinson

Two items bother me with the loss of the Presidency to either the existing Leftist, muddlesome mess, or a Romney Leftist, muddlesome mess is the military, and the SCOTUS, but with Romney I believe we’d have less damage than with the existing. I don’t know.

Right at this point not knowing what the outcome exactly will be of the convention in August, yet somewhat assured it will be Romney I don’t see the Presidency as the focal point anymore. I see the downticket, and the turnout for that downticket as critical.

The turnout is what the Left IMO, the Democrats are working to destroy. They are trying their damndest to discourage the Right from turning out to vote IMO. With more, and more of the States focusing on voter fraud, the Left’s most valuable asset in winning elections they fear any large turnout of the Right that they will have less opportunity to create sufficient votes to counter.

WE have to concentrate getting out the vote for the Right side of the ticket, the downticket, and getting every American citizen possible to vote the right side of the downticket to counter any Leftist shenanigans.

The best way IMO is to focus discussion downticket, and off of the focus of the Presidency, other than anti-Obama. Start talking about the local campaigns, post/discuss the local, and National campaigns for Senators, House Reps, local news for Mayors, Council members, etc. Keep as much of the news as possible focused on those events.

The efforts of the Left IMO will be to keep our eyes on the National events of which they have almost absolute control.

Just a thought.

345 posted on 05/04/2012 9:07:47 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: prisoner6

I agree it makes eminent sense not to commit to the idea of giving Romney the nod in November until, at least, the GOP has given him the nod at the convention. All the discussion about possible votes for Romney in November is hypothetical unless or until Romney passes that hurdle. It could be that as part of the negotiations at the convention, Romney will be successfully leaned upon to present a VP who actually is a reasonable person. What happens eight years down the road? Even if Romney’s own ear can be bent?

346 posted on 05/04/2012 9:07:47 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Away with them and the high horses they rode in on.)
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To: TheRhinelander


A truce was NEVER in our best interest...

We will watch the GOP-e fail..

We will watch the GOP become insignificant because of the deeds of the progressives..

We will blame the GOP-e. We will blame the Progressives... and people WILL finally listen...

The progressives will be purged, and we will build a resistance.

As a cohesive force, free from the daily sabotage of the GOP-e, we will take the fight to the socialists at every level... and we will beat the snot out of them.

F Romney
F the GOP-e
F the socialists in both parties

Never surrender.

347 posted on 05/04/2012 9:07:56 AM PDT by myself6
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To: Jim Robinson
Much needed update Jim.

I'll be voting T.E.A. Party in our Texas primary May 29.

Then come November, I'll be voting Straight Republican Party.

Voting in a new class of T.E.A. Party candidates will help ensure Romney stays in line.

Sadly, Romney qualifies as "Anyone But Obamah".

348 posted on 05/04/2012 9:08:11 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Jim Robinson

You are 100% correct. Thank you for this thread and your integrity in keeping the standards of FreeRepublic. Working towards a more conservative House and Senate is the most we can do. Possibly help influence a VP pick if that is even possible. God Bless you Jim and all our patriot members.

349 posted on 05/04/2012 9:08:37 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Buy and read Ameritopia by Mark Levin!)
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To: matginzac
but it doesn’t mean we don’t hold the wobblers’ feet to the fire.

I think the GOP-E has pretty well demonstrated that "we" lack the political clout to hold anyones feet to any fire.

We are going to spend the next four years trying our best to keep our own feet from being run over by the bus we have been thrown under.

350 posted on 05/04/2012 9:09:06 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: reaganaut

When you got a Romney who has offered both alternatives to an issue at various points in his career, it’s guaranteed that one of them will be wrong.

351 posted on 05/04/2012 9:09:30 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Away with them and the high horses they rode in on.)
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To: expat2
"We need to pool all our resources toward defeating Obama and then, after the election, we need to put all our effort into changing the RNC and getting conservatives ahead of the RINOS around the country."

Now that's good thinking! There is a time and place for hot-headed action, but right now cool, clear strategy and cold logic are important.

352 posted on 05/04/2012 9:09:35 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("You can, in fact must, shout fire in a crowded theatre. It just has to be the truth. " J. Goldberg)
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To: Sal
I voted for Gingrich even though he didn't campaign in my state, but the only chance left NOW to stop Romney is Paul. That's strategy not preference.
Climbing down in the gutter never works. You're not talking strategy - you're talking about compromising your true conservative vlaues in some sort of Reverse Operation Chaos. Which as we know did not - and does not work.

And as I plainly stated - Paul is in the campaign as a spoiler for Romney. Paul is a useful idiot to prop up the Romney campaign. Vote for Paul? Sure - same as voting for Mitt. And if any Tea Party aligns with RoPaul - it only weakens the conservative grass roots movement.
353 posted on 05/04/2012 9:10:20 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: RitchieAprile; Jim Robinson; Windflier; DoughtyOne; caww; onyx; TigersEye; backwoods-engineer; ...
children whine, cry, and stamp their feet when they don’t get their way.

Which is exactly what Romney supporters do when they come up against those of us who refuse to be bullied and threatened and insulted into voting for a liberal Republican with a clear documented record of advancing all the things we're against: global warming regulation, state-run health care, the gay agenda, activist liberal judges, and abortion on demand.

People who think of themselves as the "adults" and of those who disagree with them as "children" are worse than stupid. They are arrogantly stupid. They give very good warning, to anyone who'll listen, of the bad sport ugliness conservatives would see if, God forbid, Romney wins. He will treat ALL consrvatives in D.C. as the children YOU and he think they are. Including those of YOU who are conservatives but plan to vote for Romney because you think it's the "grown-up" thing to do. You'd still be treated as a child by Romney -- WAKE UP. THINK IT THROUGH.

Obama is beatable even if he's re-elected -- in spite of all the pissing down the legs of cowering "bbbbbbbut we can't survive another four years of Obama!" A sheerly emotional statement from a place of pure panic, but stated as "fact" by patriots who should know better, who should understand the difference between a risk and a fact. Not children, but frightened patriots. And these frightened patriots fashion what little comfort they can for themselves by calling people like me "children."

Those of you who have convinced yourselves that you have "no choice" but Romney, stop calling me names, and stop letting panic, desperation, and fear cloud your jugement.

354 posted on 05/04/2012 9:10:24 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: TheRhinelander

Agreed. The damage done to this forum is irreversible.

355 posted on 05/04/2012 9:11:00 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln (But that's just me.)
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To: betty boop; Jim Robinson; xzins; reaganaut; LS; Bigun; P-Marlowe

If the real conservatives would jump the ship called GOP, and actually WORK for a party that supports our views, we would have a chance.

Frankly, it doesn’t matter if Goode wins or not, I will vote my conscience and support a CONSERVATIVE. I AM VOTING AGAINST BOTH Obama and Romney - they are two sides of the same coin.

The smart thing would be for all of us to leave the GOP over this and let them go the way of the Whigs while we build up a party that represents us.

No one would be an acceptable VP enough to get me to vote for Romney. It would be hypocritical of me to ever vote for Romney.

I’m out of the GOP over this. I will no longer be played the fool.

356 posted on 05/04/2012 9:11:05 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: struggle

I fully agree and could not have said the necessaries better.

357 posted on 05/04/2012 9:11:05 AM PDT by Postman
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To: Sola Veritas

Do you ever get the feeling that you’re leading the charge...and nobody’s following?

358 posted on 05/04/2012 9:11:19 AM PDT by old school
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To: RitchieAprile

No. Stash it away. You might need it.

359 posted on 05/04/2012 9:12:26 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("You can, in fact must, shout fire in a crowded theatre. It just has to be the truth. " J. Goldberg)
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To: Bigun

Fine. Fold your hands then. Nothing I can do about it.

360 posted on 05/04/2012 9:12:26 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Romney did what the Briits couldn't do at Lexington & Concord: Deprived Americans of their arms.)
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