Posted on 05/01/2012 7:33:08 PM PDT by Mozilla
Many naive Americans believe that Mormonism is merely another branch of protestant Christianity. Well that’s not what the founders and leaders of Mormonism believed.
According to its founder, Joseph Smith, and Brigham Young, Smith’s successor, Mormons are the only true people of God on the earth. All non-Mormons and their religions are “wrong, an abomination, blind, damned, of the devil, whores, not Christians, groveling in darkness, heathens, ignorant, devoid of fact, pagan and hatched in Hell.”
When Romney made a speech about his religion in 2008 he refused to distance himself from his faith and fully affirmed his Mormonism. Responding to critics, Romney said,
"They would prefer it if I would simply distance myself from my religion, say that it is more a tradition than my personal conviction, or disavow one or another of its precepts. That I will not do. I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers - I will be true to them and to my beliefs."
Romney, the father of homosexual marriage in America and abortion funding Romney Care in Massachusetts, flip-flops on virtually every issue, but he is adamant about his anti-Christian Mormonism. Romney needs the vote of Christians to win election, but he refuses to “disavow one or another of its precepts.”
Nor can anyone think Romney is merely a casual or cultural Mormon who just happened to be born Mormon. He is an active Bishop in the Mormon church hierarchy. He cannot pretend to be ignorant of the teaching of Joseph Smith and the other “prophets” of Mormonism.
Below is a list of quotes from Mormon leaders and official publications starting with Joseph Smith down to our day. The message is consistent and clear.
(Excerpt) Read more at defendchristians.org ...
This site is full of paid Democrat operatives doing their best to divide Republicans and get their boy Obama re-elected. Second term Obama will really unleash hell on America. How much do you get paid for your black ops?
You are entering the Twilight Zone. You are not dealing with rational people. Some of them are backing 3rd party candidates in order to split the Republican anti-Obama vote
Yes Obama is so much better...you are another paid operative
I agree 100%, and its disgusting. I have said that as well. If Romney can not be steered to make conservative decisions he should be primaried. In the meantime if people want a third party they should work on it after the election no matter if Romney or Obama is president.
They are not enough time now to mount a serious challenge and it will be Perot all over again with Odumbo winning. Start building a viable third party the day after the election and promote it for the next fours years.
As it stands now Its ABO for me, because they are nothing worse than Obama in the white house, nothing, no one can honestly say that they are with a straight face. People that do is usually doing agitrpop(DEM trolls and they are alot here) or playing politics.
answer your own silly question
Oh, Romney is to the right of LBJ.../not
It's exactly because of Romney converting half or more of Republicans into permanent RINOs that the GoP will be no more not too distant in the future...a mere remnant of Republican virtues
The GoP is already only 29% of all registered voters...and with converted RINOs like yourself who will only chase more of the base away, what kind of an eroding foundation do you leave to address the attempt of future DEM POTUS dynasties????
Listen, Obama has been horrific in his first 4 yrs economically & socialistically (healthcare) & some on the abortion front...but believe me, his leftist reflex muscles haven't been nearly along the lines of the leftward base of the Dem party...so when you say "If Romney can not be steered to make conservative decisions he should be primaried," wouldn't that be tantamount to saying in 2008, "If Obama can not be steered to make ultraleft decisions he should be primaried"???
Was Zero primaried in '12? (Give me a break)
They are not enough time now to mount a serious challenge and it will be Perot all over again with Odumbo winning.
Oh, the cry for a true revolution is always "tomorrow"
Had your type been part of the leadership in the 1770s, we would have never opposed the Brits -- but would have merely gone along with the Brit compromisers. You always take who the GoP-establishment gives you to marry off your daughters to...Doesn't matter how many pre-borns these "grooms" have aborted -- including your own grandkids -- you just say "yes" I'll endorse you...
Start building a viable third party the day after the election and promote it for the next fours years.
And where's that foundation for a "viable third party"? There's no provocation for change...
On what basis is there to form some new core when the bulk of the Republican party now endorses a big govt? Endorses socialistic healthcare pioneers? Endorses abortionCare? How euphemistic can we get?
You & the rest have -- and are in the process -- of already jumping the shark.
Here my first reaction in March when Santorum dropped out was:
* "Wait a minute, there's not enough liberal voters in this country to vote for two mainstream liberal candidates."
* "There's not enough pro-abortion voters in this country to vote for two mainstream pro-abortion candidates."
* "There's not enough socialistic voters in this country to vote for two socialist candidates."
* "There's not enough big govt voters in this country to vote for two socialistic healthcare pioneer candidates."
* "There's not enough pro-liberal judge appointing voters to vote for two liberal judge-appointing candidates."
* "There's not enough global warming voters to vote for two global-warming candidates."
* "There's not enough idol-promoting voters to vote for either a Democratic 'messiah-type' figure or a self-proclaimed 'god-in-embryo' on his way to competing as a full-blown rival god to THE God!"
* "There's not enough non-Christians in this country to either promote a closeted Muslim-leaning ex-member of THE most liberal denomination pretending Christianity or the polytheist cultic Mormons."
Well, about 6 wks later, I'm starting to see I might be wrong in that assessment. The capitulaters and compromisers have been coming out of the woodwork to sign up as endorsers in the voter camps mentioned above!
So what option come November do we have? I plan to vote all conservative ticket on the ballot, but when it comes to the president and I have 2 choices what will it be? Writing in is a waste of time and my vote, and letting obama win to cement more communist power in the US doesn’t bode well for us four more years from now or for peoples children. You all can say Romney is worse, but he’s never been president yet with conservatives holding his feet to the fire, but Obama has and he is the worst president ever who cares nothing about congressional power.
Use some logic folks, we are done if Zero wins and gets to appoint more SC judges and use executive orders out his ass. Ask yourself this, why do the russian and chinese governments support Obama in the upcoming election and the answer should be clear on who we must get out of power. ABO.
Unless of coarse you like obamas”flexibility” with our national defense with those two countries..Vlady is smiling.
I recall one poster commenting one time, "Only a fool fights in a burning house."
My response? "...only a fool thinks the 'brush fire' here on earth is the three-alarm, city-wide meltdown that hell represents."
That's what happens every time a FREEPER poster mentions a Muslim Islamic terrorist act or beheading, yet neglects to mention the millions that Islam and Mormonism bring to hell.
The literal children (& their descendents) of Hagar are the Muslims -- those in spiritual slavery per the apostle Paul (Gal. 4:21-31). The spiritual children of Joseph Smith are the restored Pharisees -- THE legalists of the 21st century. And Jesus condemned no group of people more than the Pharisees.
Wait right now.
1. Why go "on the record" right now endorsing all those horrific traits mentioned in post #87?
2. I distinguish somebody campaigning for Romney right now on this Web site VERSUS...
...a potential voter for Romney in November who does two simple things in late October...
...(a) ask themselves, "Am I truly in a swing state?"
Explanation to (a): If Obama is going to win your state without your Romney vote, why bother searing your conscience? If Romney is going to win your state without your vote, why bother searing your conscience? If you are in a genuine "swing state," then proceed to (b)...
...(b) The question will be for swing-state voters in late October...Does Romney have a real chance of winning?
This is a relevant Q for the following reason: I believe that the vetting of Romney will be THE BIGGEST EXPOSE' of anybody ever over these next 5 months. The MSM; the commercials; the Web; social media; Dem operatives. You name it.
* People will learn more about Romney lies than they wanted to know.
* People will see Romney patterns of untrustworthy statements & stances which will make them leery to entrust him.
* People will learn more about Mormon racism -- and Romney's silent endorsement of it -- than they ever imagined they'd become provoked about.
* People will learn more about the Mormon plural gods than they wished they didn't need to be burdened with...beginning to wonder, "OK, if 'White House Mitt' prays to this god who was once a man on another planet, who's he really prayin' to???"
* People will learn more about necro-baptism, including necro-baptisms of the Jews, than they wanted to delve into...nor desire to have their kids exposed to as some kind of spiritual exemplar that the Mormon church will try to present Romney as...[The Mormon church will try to convey Mitt Romney as their 'Jackie Robinson' who becomes THE model for their proselytizing efforts]
Therefore, IF the above happens as I think it will, Romney ... come late-October will be way down in the polls... [Unless the economic bottom falls out from under us 'tween now & then]
If Romney is way down in the polls come late-October, then voting for an also-ran like Romney is a waste of your time and your vote...because voting for a second- place "also-ran" is no improvement than voting for a third place also-ran...
IN fact, that can be worse because you've communicated to the GoP- establishment that you'll always buckle your knees and bow down to whoever they give you.
You all can say Romney is worse, but he’s never been president yet with conservatives holding his feet to the fire...
What kind of a planet do you live on? Kolob?
Where were these conservatives holding him to the fire in the primaries? (They were either AWOL or they split their vote behind other candidates)
Where will be these conservatives in 2013 if they've already gone on record as endorsing abortion, big govt, socialistic healthcare, appointing liberal judges, etc???
Face is: Conservatives don't want to "bite the bullet" now (just like Congress; just like Obama) -- so they mortgage our children & grandchildren instead. Everything is always "tomorrow, tomorrow."
Dont think you understand, you aren’t changing anyone’s minds that want communist muslim Obama out at all costs. They could have Darth Vader up there and I would vote for him over Obama, at least he knows how to run shit. Oh and want about the Supreme Court, let me guess you think Romney’s picks will be just as bad as Obama’s..right....I dont think so and he will be called out on it if so by republicans. Im conservative but voting ABO, and Im done arguing with the obtuse.
Yeah, we know, we know. You're going to train your kids & your grandkids & everybody around you by your words-and-actions to ALWAYS vote for the (r) guy 'cause he's more conservative than the (d) guy...and that way when your kids & grandkids vote...say in the 2036 election...they'll be voting for a guy to the left of Obama...just 'cause he's an (r) guy and you always stand behind the "establishment."
Why...as soon as we find out which future Dem POTUS candidate -- THE potential leader of the "free" world -- --is THE anti-Christ,
...we'll link you up with some conjurers who can call forth the spirit of Adolph Hitler...
...you can then approach Adolph on behalf of the GoP-e to run as an (R) opposition candidate...
...and we'll have you hit the campaign trail running as the spirit of Adolph Hitler's campaign mgr...
...The RINO GoP-E loves that "anybody-but-a Dem" moxie spirit of yours...
...Because then they'll know they have mindless zombies who'll support ANY candidate they baby-feed for them! (And we thought only Mormonism was a mind-control cult!)
Keep up that "any spirit-but-a-Dem" spirit!
We won't ever need to politically...
...think...
...discern...
...evaluate...
...pray...
...vet...
Just hit this new innovation --
--the Z.R.R. button (Z.R.R. = Zombie Romneybot Reflex),
...and viola!...presto!...another CINO (Conservative in Name Only) minion is out there pushing abortion, big govt, socialized healthcare, homosexuals-as-minority class status, liberal judges, global warming, etc.!!
Who'd have thunk it?...Such a marv invention that Z.R.R. button!
Better get preppin'...So you go right along, having been "properly" programmed to respond to the right "team color"...keep pushin' your identity politics amongst free republic conservatives...'cause we know no counterfeit conservative would ever get his nose under the "Big Tent," right?
You’re nuttier than a fruitcake.
Well, I am open to somebody trying to convince me there.
All I have to go on is Romney's record in Massachusetts:
The Boston Globe confirmed that as a so-called “Republican” governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney appointed 14 Democrats, 13 Independents and only 9 Republicans as judges. That’s 27 of 36, or 3 of every 4, Romney judges that are liberal. So if President Romney someday appoints even one Supreme Court Justice, there’s a 75 percent chance they’ll vote with Kagan and Sotomayor 100 percent of the time. If we wouldn’t trust Romney himself on the Supreme Court, why let him appoint more Massachusetts Democrats to the federal bench?
Source: 10 reasons Christians should reject Romney [WorldNetDaily]
Even in the above, this WorldnetDaily writer assumed that all nine Republican appointees by Romney were "conservative." I highly doubt that...My guess would be that Romney appointed no more than 16.6% conservative judges in MA (6 of 36).
What's interesting is all I tend to hear from posters like you is anti-Obama fear -- emo fear & loathing -- with few-to-none facts to back up...and then worse, arguments from silence about how Romney is going to do things like appoint conservative judges.
Upon what imagination and fantasies do you make ill-based conclusions?
You must be a liberal public schooled product.
Thanks. I’ll look into it.
Please consider this:
Just as God allows trials and temptations to "sift us" (Jesus once told Peter that Satan wanting to "sift him like wheat"), to shake us out to see who will remain relationally and doctrinally true under the most trying of circumstances...
...I firmly believe that 2012 is the year where the same thing is occurring politically and social-ethically...
Once you have so-called "conservatives" campaigning and endorsing a big govt socialist healthcare pro-abortion, pro-liberal judge appointing, pro-global warming "god," they cross the "Waterloo."
Not only do they fail to represent any "we'll hold your feet-to-the-fire" conservative positions on the above (they've already communicated the above doesn't matter anymore), but they also communicate to the Dems & MSM,
(1) "We won't crit Obama socialistic healthcare anymore. Why? How can we? We've endorsed the true pioneer of it, Mitt Romney!"
(2) "We won't crit big-govt anymore. Why? How can we? We've endorsed big-govt. Willard!"
(3) "We won't crit taxpayer-funded abortion anymore? Why? How can we? In MA, there's both $50 taxpayer-funded abortions and now 100%-covered taxpayer-funded abortions under RomneyCare!" {See: RomneyCare Now Funding FREE Abortions: A Disqualifier for Mitt Romney’s Candidacy [Enabler Mitt]}
great post ... keep on fighting ...
My, my, my. Where's the self-appointed FR "bigot patrol" when you need them??? Here, "the faith of" Romney's fathers - a faith he "endeavors to live by" and "will be true to" comes to us Christians and tries to woo us by touting how we as Christians are “wrong, an abomination, blind, damned, of the devil, whores, not Christians, groveling in darkness, heathens, ignorant, devoid of fact, pagan and hatched in Hell.”
And these Mormon labels don't deserve some type of verbal "spanking" by the FR "bigot patrol?" Why not? (Unless they're just plain religious hypocrites in carrying out their "bigot patrol" preaching pledge)
Well...in case this article wasn't thorough enough in what Romney's fathers think of Christians...here's a primer for you to "inspire" all of us Christians to "unite" with the promotion of Mormonism for double-digit years (not only 2011-2020...but you have to fold in 2007-2008 as well):
Q 1: What did Lds “apostles” John Taylor and Orson Pratt -- Pratt being a direct ancestor of Mitt Romney -- have to say about Catholics & Protestants?
* "'The present Christian world exists and continues by division. The MYSTERY of Babylon the great, is mother of harlots and abominations of the earth, and it needs no prophetic vision, to unravel such mysteries. The old church is the mother, and the protestants are the lewd daughters. Alas! alas! what doctrine, what principle, or what scheme, in all, what prayers, what devotion, or what faith, `since the fathers have fallen asleep,' has opened the heavens; has brought men into the presence of God; and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to an innumerable company of angels? The answer is, not any: "There is none in all christendom that doeth good; no, not one."' (Lds “Apostle” John Taylor, Times and Seasons, Vol.6, No.1, p.811, Feb. 15, 1845...Taylor would later emerge as an Lds “prophet” in the late 1870s upon the death of Brigham Young...he did “jail time” with Joseph Smith over the destruction of the Nauvoo Expositor newspaper)
* "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
* "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance, and they are represented in the revelations of St. John as a woman sitting upon a scarlet colored beast, having a golden cup in her hand, full of filthiness and abominations, full of the wine of the wrath of her fornication; that in her forehead there was a name written - `Mystery, Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots' " (Journal of Discourses 18:172).
* "We have already proved in the previous numbers of this series that immediately after the first century the whole earth became corrupted by the great "Mother of Harlots," that apostasy and wickedness succeeded Christianity, that for the want of new revelation, all legal succession to the apostleship was discontinued that the gifts and powers of the Holy Spirit ceased and that the Church was no longer to be found on the earth: this being the case, all nations must have been destitute of the everlasting gospel for many generations - not destitute of its history as it was once preached and enjoyed but destitute of its blessings, of its powers, of its gifts, of its priesthood, of its ordinances administered by legal authority" (Divine Authenticity of the Book of Mormon, No.6 (1851), pg.82).
Q 2: Now did Lds "apostles" John Taylor and Orson Pratt come up with applying these labels to the Catholic and Protestant Church themselves, or did they get it from LDS “Scripture?”
A Taylor and Pratt derived this at least from the Book of Mormon (especially the following verses) and likely spending a lot of direct time with Joseph Smith:
* "abominable church...whore of all the earth" (2 Nephi 28:18);
* "whore of all the earth" (2 Nephi 10:16)
* ”And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth. And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the whore of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over all the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people.” (1 Nephi 14:10-11)
* ”...their dominions upon the face of the earth were small because of the wickedness of the great whore whom I saw.” (1 Nephi 14:12)
* “And it came to pass that I beheld that the great mother of abominations did gather together multitudes upon the face of all the earth, among all the nations of the Gentiles, to fight against the Lamb of God.” (1 Nephi 14:13)
* ”And it came to pass that I beheld that the wrath of God was poured out upon that great and abominable church, insomuch that there were wars and rumors of wars among all the nations and kindreds of the earth. And as there began to be wars and rumors of wars among all the nations which belonged to the mother of abominations, the angel spake unto me, saying: Behold, the wrath of God is upon the mother of harlots; and behold, thou seest all these things.” (1 Nephi 14:15-16)
* ”And when the day cometh that the wrath of God is poured out upon the mother of harlots, which is the great and abominable church of all the earth, whose founder is the devil, then, at that day, the work of the Father shall commence, in preparing the way for the fulfilling of his covenants, which he hath made to his people who are of the house of Israel.” (1 Nephi 14:17)
* “And the blood of that great and abominable church, which is the whore of all the earth, shall turn upon their own heads; for they shall war among themselves, and the sword of their own hands shall fall upon their own heads, and they shall be drunken with their own blood.” (1 Nephi 22:13)
* ”And every nation which shall war against thee, O house of Israel, shall be turned one against another, and they shall fall into the pit which they digged to ensnare the people of the Lord. And all that fight against Zion shall be destroyed, and that great whore, who hath perverted the right ways of the Lord, yea, that great and abominable church, shall tumble to the dust and great shall be the fall of it.” (1 Nephi 22:14)
Q 3: Where did Mitt Romney's direct ancestor, Orson Pratt derive his concept that the “great whore” of supposed “B.C. Prophecies” in the Book of Mormon had a contemporary application to the Catholic church – and that it would be one who would give birth to "harlot daughters" (the Protestant church)?
A From Joseph Smith himself, as found in LDS "scripture" (& elsewhere). I refer the reader, for example, to "that great church, the mother of abominations" (LDS “Scripture”—Doctrine & Covenants, 88:94).
Q 4: Now did Mitt Romney's direct ancestor, Orson Pratt just happen to pounce upon gobs of passages from a few Nephi books in the Mormon “scriptures” and take them out of proportion, or was Mormon “scripture” rife with this need to pronounce the church-at-large as an “abomination” before God that was sourced in the devil?
A 1 Nephi 13, 1 Nephi 14, and 1 Nephi 22 uses the term “abomination” or “abominable” at least eight times! As previously shown, 1 Nephi 14:9-10 says there are only two churches: The church of the Lamb & the Church of the Devil. In the opinion of Mormon leaders, the church of the devil ("abominable church...whose foundation is the devil"-- 1 Nephi 14:9) – is the great non-Mormon church that branched out into Protestantism.
The King James-era word "abomination" is used repetitively to describe this non-Mormon church. 1 Nephi 13:6 & 2 Nephi 6:12 both call it a "great & abominable church." D&C 29:21 references it as an "abominable church" & D&C 88:94 calls it a "great church, the mother of abominations" (D&C 88:94). [Also, see references above to "whore...of all the earth."] 1 Nephi 13:32 accuses this church of censorship: "parts of the gospel kept back by that abominable church” (1 Nephi 13:32).
Also, the most important “abomination” Joseph Smith reference is to describe every single creed believed by Catholics and Protestants. LDS decided to enshrine Joseph Smith’s First Vision in LDS “scripture” – which means it’s binding as authoritative as LDS canon (not speculation; not commentary; not an opinion piece) upon the beliefs & consciences on ALL true-believing Mormons: "they [“Christian sects”] were ALL wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that their ALL creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were ALL corrupt" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:19).
Q 5: What leading Mormon general authority was the next to carry the mantle for portraying Christian churches as linked to Babylon?
A: That fell to Lds president George Q. Cannon. Cannon was the only member of the First Presidency to serve four separate Lds “prophets” as one of the two closest counselors to the Lds “prophet” (Taylor, Woodruff, Snow, and Joseph F. Smith). * Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
Q 6 Since all of these authoritative Mormon directives were published before the end of the 19th century, who then carried this notorious legacy into the 20th century for Lds general authorities?
A Lds “apostle” Bruce R. McConkie, who first published his book, Mormon Doctrine, in 1958. Under the heading “Church of the Devil”, McConkie wrote: “There are two scriptural senses in which the titles church of the devil and great and abominable church are used: 1. All churches or organizations of whatever name or nature—whether political, philosophical, educational, economic, social, fraternal, civic, or religious—which are designed to take men on a course that leads away from God and his laws and thus from salvation in the kingdom of God; and 2. The Roman Catholic Church specifically—singled out, set apart, described, and designated as being “most abominable above all other churches.” (1 Ne. 13:5).” (Mormon Doctrine, 1958, p. 129)
And then for the Lds.org continuing and current legacy of openly slandering and bashing Christians worldwide, see next post...
Thanks.
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