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To: grey_whiskers
Your post assumes that Palin knew all along that she knew was WASN'T going to run; and also that Perry's sucking oxygen from the room with his own inarticulate, bumbling self, had no effect on her getting early traction and funding.

Incorrect. I think it likely Palin knew she probably wasn't going to run by last spring/early summer when she was doing none of the things a serious candidate would do (and Fox didn't terminate her), however she was absolutely determined to at least appear to keep her options open. You know full well her supporters were CERTAIN she was going to unleash some Sun Tzu like "unconventional" campaign designed to go around the establishment. That she wouldn't need to do the things most candidates do. My post assumes only that her dedicated supporters were sure she was running. Come on now, you must know perfectly well that she has devoted fans that still can't let go and believe she may still be the nominee. I'm bad with user names, and forgive me if I am wrong, but I seem to remember you being chief among these people that were certain Palin was running and unable to accept that she wasn't.

Oh I don't dispute Perry stumbled, bumbled and generally demonstrated a clear lack of ability to communicate on the national state. Other members have reminded me that his back surgery may have had something to do with it - but that is neither here nor there. He clearly could not communicate well enough and I gave up on him because of it it.

But what we are talking about here is the anti-Perry vitriol that struck this website, and others, most notable between Perry's high profile entry into the race and Palin's official decision not to run. Some people have blamed the mods for not putting a stop to it. My point is that the tide of anti-Perry stuff was so enormous (here and elsewhere), as Palin supporters mobilized to eliminate what they perceived as her only serious conservative competitor, that there simply wasn't much forum administrators could bo but let it play out. An effort to stop such a thing would have required more speech limiting action than it would have been worth.

If is hard for me to believe anyone can't see how Palin's dithering about making a decision left huge numbers of core conservative activists sitting on the sidelines. These folks were waiting, unable and/or unwilling to get behind another candidate and otherwise attacking all potential Palin competition and it had a very serious (and negative) impact on this cycles GOP primary process. Whether her motives were noble or just an effort to stay in the spotlight, I don't know. But the impact of her delayed decision did conservatives no favors.

1,680 posted on 04/28/2012 12:30:03 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

Your conclusion may be correct if the story ended here today. But let’s just wait a while longer to see if she’s really one who has caused damage to the Conservative (Tea Party) Movement. Let’s see how things unfold these next few months. Okay?


1,697 posted on 04/28/2012 12:43:09 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Longbow1969

You can’t blame the mods. I instructed them to lay low. I knew the primary was going to be a blood batch on all sides and there was no way we could stop it. We are adults here. Shouldn’t need a nanny.


1,712 posted on 04/28/2012 12:53:53 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is on!!)
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To: Longbow1969
I'm bad with user names, and forgive me if I am wrong, but I seem to remember you being chief among these people that were certain Palin was running and unable to accept that she wasn't.

You are wrong.

Proof is that Palin announced on October 5, 2011 that she would not run for the nomination.

On October 2, I posted

Sarah Palin in "The Undecided," or, Only Her Halibut Knows for Sure

and on October 5, I was at work, but FReepmailed nathan_bedford and asked him to post the following for me:

Sarah Ringbearer, or, A Gift From Frodo

With that last one in mind, it is obvious that some are trying to proceed with The Scouring of The Shire: but Romney/Sharkey, and various Shirriffs/Ted Sandyman types, even here on FR, are making it more difficult.

Whether her motives were noble or just an effort to stay in the spotlight, I don't know. But the impact of her delayed decision did conservatives no favors.

Read my piece Only Her Halibut Knows For Sure; and, after that, the legendary Mrs. Whiskers pointed out an interview Palin had on TV (maybe on Hannity? -- I referred to it in regular posts when it happened) that Palin looked literally shaken -- as though she had received credible bodily threats to her or her family; or maybe it was the rumours of the one-night stand with the U of Michigan basketball player, with promises of further similar tales to be promulgated. Mrs. Whisk. is of the opinion that Palin was literally threatened, in no uncertain terms, in ways she was unprepared to deal with, and decided to fold. And having been married to my wife for so long (decades and decades), I have learned to trust her intuition and feel for interpersonal motivations. Your mileage may vary.

NO cheers, unfortunately.

1,735 posted on 04/28/2012 1:19:20 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
... the impact of her delayed decision did conservatives no favors.

All typical BS from a BS'er - a mittbot. Now Romney's low life scheme that worked according to plan is Palin's fault. LOL!! Imagine that - a mittbot speaking about conservatism/conservatives and Palin is not doing it a favor. If that isn't mittbot speech I don't know what is. It started in '08 and hasn't stopped.

Someone's devotion to Romney has reached new lows. That's the type, if they live so long, will have to read about what went down in this primary in history books - because they are too young to get it now. Kids don't know when they have been taken in, they are still in the know-it-all stage. There are exceptions, a group of high schools were here discussing it, I chimed in and they instantly got the 'chess play' that went down in this primary - while some here are stuck in the 'checker's' mentality.

What is SO obvious some don't even have a clue on.

2,172 posted on 04/30/2012 3:02:56 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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