Posted on 04/22/2012 5:01:33 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
The Talk Shows
April 22nd, 2012
Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:
FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Sens. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn.; Gov. Mitch Daniels, R-Ind.
MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Reps. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., and Peter King, R-N.Y.; David Axelrod, adviser to President Barack Obama's re-election campaign.
FACE THE NATION (CBS): Lieberman; Senator Tom Coburn, R-Okla.; Reps. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., and Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas; Ralph Basham, a former director of the Secret Service; Eric Fehrnstrom, adviser to GOP president candidate Mitt Romney; Stephanie Cutter, deputy campaign for Obama.
THIS WEEK (ABC): Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine; Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y.
STATE OF THE UNION (CNN): Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla.; Axelrod; Cummings.
Agree completely. In the end it was all of our conservatives dividing the vote and Romney winning with 25%. The Country Club knows how to run a single candidate.
Remember when O’Reilly said Obama would run the country down the middle because he was a smart man. The Establishment (except Hannity) refused to acknowledge Obama’s lifelong radical left wing relationships. I remember that idiot Krauthammer claiming that Palin had no experience and Obama walked on water.
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So true, the pundits were wearing horse blinders when it came to seeing who Obama really is....
So okay, true. Here's the thing. I'm unclear why anyone can criticize anyone else for their position on Romney.
At least not fair thinking people at any rate.
It's not like those who are vehemently anti-Romney have no basis for their intensity. We've had Dole, McCain, Gerald Ford....even Dubya ruled across the aisle to the dislike of many Conservatives. McCain, the moderate's moderate, he who proudly called himself a MAVERICK....it could be argued that McCain brought us Obama
So this year, after holding our noses and voting for McCain, we get another fine "moderate" in the form of Romney and so many out there have had enough.
A reasonable argument can be made that against Obama, ANYBODY would be better. An equally reasonable argument can be made that McCain was the last moderate they'd pull that lever for.
The most abused amongst us eventually fight back, eventually walk away from endless lies on endless lies.
So why get mad at them? Call them names? They're not unreasonable people; they've had enough. And they just might be right.
On the other side, there's a bunch, me among them, who will, given the extraordinary circumstances of this upcoming election, will pull that lever for a "moderate" pretending to be a Conservative.
Reasonable arguments would include that the country could not stand another Obamer term, that this time it will have to be Romney, he's better than the communist and his tribe of thugs any day.
WE HEARD THIS BEFORE, the other side will say. Indeed, mine own fine Mike Castle....he was complained about for decades. "Just one more time," we were told, so we pulled the lever, we nominated him at the convention. "He's getting ready to retire," the whispered, so we figured, okay, let him retire proud and with dignity.
BUT WAIT! Then we hear that Mike Castle is NOT only NOT going to retire, he WANTS A PROMOTION!
So hey, both sides of this equation have an equal right to their decision and it makes us look like dolts to lambaste the other, call them names, cast unfair aspersions upon them. Make your argument and stop being an a**hole about it.
And RG, you somehow got lassoed into this argument when by me, you are not part of what I think to be a problem. My sense is you have complete respect on the vast citizenry who consider themselves Conservatives so don't think any dismay I have is directed at you.
The name calling and accusations ain't helping a thing.
You know I wouldn’t fight with you, Fish. You always have the last word.
I just don’t agree with your opus and am tired of all that jazz.
Thanks for the defense, Alas, but DO NOT bother with this dude. He is a nasty piece of work and I suspect an Obama supporter.
He hasn’t been here long but he is one ugly troll.
It’s going to be another mistake if Republicans, especially candidates, don’t counter and stop letting the Democrats get away with blaming Bush for everything that 0zero’s done wrong since he was elected, including a Democrat House and Senate that rubber stamped all those leftist policies and programs.
It’s Bush’s fault, the Bush policies didn’t work, capitalism is not good for the country, we tried that before and it failed. Our side needs to counter these BS claims every time we hear it. The latest one Democrats are emailing everyone says “Reaganomics: Convincing poor people they can become rich by giving rich people more money.”
Please continue to post the thread.
It’s the best thing on Free Republic.
I promise to reform. I will not address the trolls and if everyone else follows suit, they will go away as they feed on responses and die without them.
And I apologize to Fishtalk. I know it’s hard in her neck of the woods and the Republican party there may well be a nightmare. I shouldn’t have said what I said. Mea Culpa.
All well and good on paper.
In reality?
Every body is/was a political expert, and only THEIR candidate walked on water (Palin,Cain,Perry,Bachmann,Gingrich), while every body else's candidate (Palin,Cain,Perry,Bachmann,Gingrich) sucked the proverbial weenie, and had horns coming out of their foreheads, and misrepresented everything, had bad breath, and was generally disliked by everyone else.
Still, I certainly don’t think you are a quitter. You fought harder than most of us. Some of us beside me need to acknowledge that.
Fishtalk’s posts from “down in the weeds” in the war against RINOism haven’t merely been VERY informative but have revealed the author to be as true a conservative this side of bray as we can find.
But I completely GET Fishtalk’s need to detach from the Republicans at this point. There’s gonna be a whole lot more of this going forward if the RINOs lose the 2012 presidential election, I can tell you that.
Come on Tea Party.
Thank you PB and AB.
Oh nobody’s working harder than me here in the swamps. I am campaign treasurer for a tea party type...heh.
“What’s this $614, Don? It’s on the bank statement yet I have no receipt?”
“It’s for door hangers, Pat. I ordered them off of the Internet. I didn’t get a receipt.”
“Don, you didn’t get a receipt by email? Forward it to me and I’ll print it out. Don’t you see how this looks Don A. himself might have taken that money and maybe bought himself a new TV?”
Below the dashed line.....a comment I came upon on a Delaware thread to my great surprise. Jon Mosley just happens to have been Christine O’Donnell’s attorney during her campaign.
I’m just not sitting in on their meetings. There’s an active 9-11 patriots group in this area. I’ll deal with my activism this way.
When enough people realize the time has come to let go of that part of the entrenched political class known as the Republican party, I’ll be here.
At some point together all of us, squabblers today, will begin the process of taking back our country from the political elite.
Jon Moseley
I refer you back to Pat Fish’s post, which is when it first dawned on me that this controversy was (a) not going away and (b) bigger than just an arcane tussle over some obscure technicality.
The purest or idealist hates the fact that perception can replace reality. It naturally irks me and always bothered me. But you have to accept reality. The information received and processed by humans is all they have to go on. So, like it or not, perception is reality. It shouldn’t be so. Yet it is.
People can only form opinions based on what they know. And if they are busy in their lives and they only catch a shallow impression of things while swamped with the responsibilities of life, that hasty impression is all they have to go on. For them, that is reality…. even when they are absolutely wrong.
Pat Fish explained the PERCEPTION created among the voters, who only have time for a quick glance at the issues.
So when you have a Democrat White House suing the various States — THE US SUPREME COURT WILL HEAR ARIZONA’S SB 1070 LAW ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ON APRIL 25 — and it looks like “Here’s one more example” that fits within that theme, it’s a powerful theme. Pat Fish called it. I didn’t see it until Pat Fish wrote it.
This is the only thread that I read on a regular basis. It must continue! So we have a few disagreements.....let’s call them debates:o) There has not been that much to talk about....it is discouraging to talk about what is happening to our country. Now is the time to fight and I for one will fight to the bitter end against what is happening to our country! This thread is our mouthpiece.
It somewhat depends on the state. The last GOP senator from VT was jumpin’ Jim Jeffords who’s ACU rating of about 20 made Snowe and Spector seem conservative by comparison. A Rat can run there as an honest socialist without the slightest concern a true conservative would sneak through in a three way race. CT’s electorate isn’t quite as lopsided; without the edge of incumbency Lieberman wouldn’t have pulled off the D to I switch. Tea Party types might be able to do this in a sufficiently red state. A narrow Hatch win in Utah’s primary could trigger such if the state weren’t so Mormon; a third party challenge there seems too radical for them.
The old saying is that the longest trip in the world begins with one step. Another old saying is if you start by saying it CAN'T be done, than nothing else matters. With that beginning, it WON'T be done, and that's a fact.
Which is not to say, let say as mine dog-eating President does alldatime....let me make one thing perfectly clear....I am NOT, at this time, advocating a third party.
My belief, and I sit here making my case only and if your mileage varies I respect that, is that the people who carry this country on their backs, Tea Party types I assert, simply will not accept a Romney governing like a mealy-mouthed moderate and without a lot of fuss and argument, a new party will spring from the electorate, this perhaps somewhere in the mid of Romney's term when the pressure of electing a communist and his thugs isn't so pressing.
Maybe it will be a matter of getting more Tea Party types in the House and heaven forbid that House of Lords called the Senate. Maybe it will be by electing Tea Party types to town councils across America, much like my guy and the likes of me struggling to guide him and to deal with campaign laws but by golly I CAN READ!
I saw Sussex county Delaware's GOP transformed into a work of beauty. We had to rent a bigger hall to accomodate those who were inspired and came out to run, change the rules, vote fair and square.
The people so desperately wanted something to believe in, to think that maybe, just maybe, WE THE PEOPLE really have the power.
The Blue Bloods, they have all the money, all the contacts, they even have the Media on their side via a liberal media here in Delaware that joins in on the mockery of the COD voters. They had secret side meetings, they ejected one of our favorite sons, they got Democrat Pete Schwartzkopf to publicly lambaste those who listen to talk radio, fools all. Do not tell me the Blue Blood elected GOP weren't on to this....it's local but very similar to national.
I'd argue it's not quitting to reject it outright. Us tar and pitchfork boobs, all we have are our numbers. Somehow we need to take our numbers away from them. A lackluster, middle of the road Romney presidency will make that a simple thing.
So I don't know how it's going to come down but....let me make one thing perfectly clear....I hope with all my heart, I pray with all my heart, that a President Romney somehow finds a leadership within him to wrest our ship of state back onto a straight course.
What's a "straight course" you ask? Too long for me to define but it's like that supreme court justice and the definition of pornography....I'll know it when I see it.
I appreciate your devoted and herculean task of putting this Sunday thread together for all these years. I know how hard it is to keep things going that others depend upon (e.g. coaching kids sports where parents expect it to go on forever and ever; or like Fish singing in the church Choir). FR and the Sunday Shows have both changed. I recall many weeks over 700 posts and now we’re around 150, with many devoted to sniping and off topic. We used to watch these shows and tear apart the Rat or Administration claims so Rush & Sean would have their “show prep” for the week. But the shows themselves are nothing but Dem infomercials and if an R does show, they are an apologist traitor or a prop to “fairness” (e.g. Grahamnesty, McLame). It is all very disspiriting. But we can’t give up. We just have to use a new route. ACORN and all O’s minions will be “occupying” Romney appearances, and will sit on and troll this and other good sites just to disrupt. We must adapt, improvise, and overcome. Semper Fi.
Kabar
I think you made my point, spineless RINOs. No Republicans were willing to stand and fight. No Republicans were willing to do the heavy lifting of reducing G’ment size for various reasons. The current crop of senators, per your reasoning is too small, etc. Having a RINO as the Titular head of the party will get us more Socialist supreme court justices, more “No child left behind” type of programs and HOPE that at another presidential election we will have a Ronaldus Magnus appears. While those are my prayers, I see no reason to support the Republican brand. See Fishtalk
DanZ
Fish,
I completely understand the quitting and organizing the T Party to combat the Country Club. I have a manual you may want to use to get you started. We have used it to pretty good effect and now we are doing more in our section of County than the rest of the county combined. Some say the rest of the state, but much of the state are starting to use it to great effect.
One of the posts they were outraged about was how Romney was too much of a moderate and would lose. It was not very complimentary of the Country Club.
Pray for America
Rodguy911
Is this the best you can do? - “As far as you are concerned “nothing.You win.Head in sand always trumps reality.” I must say I am amused.
I was born in a Communist Country, You, I presume live close to one. What I see is the Republican brand creating a situation similar to Venezuela. A Large g’ment party with no options. Sometimes as with Ronaldus Magnus we get to play a holding game, sometime as with the Second amendment wins we even move in the right direction. However I just do not see a limited g’ment option at the top of the Republican ticket. Here in Texas there is an option to elect a small g’ment type in the Republican Senate primary. I will have to wait and see how that turns out. Go Newt.
DanZ
I’m interested. I really believe that we’re ready to move here in Sussex county. We are soaking wet from being spit upon.
Could you maybe get it to me electronically? I’d sure like to ponder.
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