Posted on 04/21/2012 9:36:37 PM PDT by olcurmudgeon
Washington D.C. – Marco Rubio says he wants his version of the DREAM Act in effect by fall, just in time for undocumented students to be able to attend college fall semester. Rubio, in two separate events in Washington D.C., said his plan is still being hammered out, and important details – such as the minimum and maximum age of those who would qualify – were yet to be determined. “We’re involving the DREAMers” in the drafting of the measure, he said, using the term that refers to undocumented youth brought to the country by their parents. “We’re involving the kids themselves.” Asked by a reporter when it will be introduced in the Senate, Rubio said: “When it’s ready. It won’t be next week.” He said he hopes it gets introduced by summer and passed by fall.
(Excerpt) Read more at latino.foxnews.com ...
“we’d be talking about teenagers brought to the U.S. as children and educated at U.S. schools, and they’d be getting not U.S. citizenship, or even a path to U.S. citizenship, but the equivalent of a student visa that we hand out every year to just about any foreigner who is accepted into a U.S. college.”
By that logic, we should be giving the children of those who waited in line legally student visas not the children of the lawbreakers.
Think of how many people there are who followed the law, respected our borders, respected our Constitution, respected our sovereignty and their children AREN’T being rewarded with student visas.
Also, I don’t believe for one second that this isn’t just another attempt to get their crowbar into the door.
NAIVETY at the highest level to believe anything else.
Remember gays didn’t want special rights or to be married or access to schools, adopt children, donate blood...they just wanted to be left alone...where are we now with that?
Gay days, religious people silenced, threatened, or fired. Too many atrocities to list here.
Thoughts?
Too many Mehhhhhhicccccans already.
Screw Rubio.
Sounds like a carefully crafted bill to me.
But I wouldn’t want to get in the way of a good gasket blowing. That would make me “ridiculously naive or on the side of lawbreakers”. ;-/
Who didn’t see this coming? Hell, Texas is already ahead of the curve thanks to La Raza Rick.
You are siding with the lawbreakers.
Tell me, why are you discriminating against the children of those poor souls who are lawfully waiting in line and respecting our laws?
You’re right, I suck.
“You’re right, I suck.”
LOL. There, there. Don’t be too hard on yourself.
Well better a Rubio plan than a Obama or Democrat plan. He states NO citizenship involved. Look the fact is Reagan started this with his amnesty bill signing. There is no way back outside of a war now. And with half the country in pansy state there is likely no war happening on this issue.
I see a big problem for conservatives if the do not do something on this issue as we can not win elections when the biggest growing ethnic sector is voting 90% against us on this one issue. Let them go to school, let them pay then get in line.
I do not know exactly what Rubio has written but I am telling you all we need a plan before all kaos breaks out on this issue and I would rather be writing it than being forever behind the political eight ball on it...
Wouldn’t tuition for state schools be a state problem? AFAIK there is no Uninversity of the United States.
YOU JERK! YOU STATIST!
I have heard speculation that Romney will pick Rubio for VP to turn his polls around with Hispanics. Of course Romney's polling looks that way because he flipped to anti-Amnesty to beat Perry and Newt in the primary.
From the ‘legal’ immigrants I have met here in Maryland who got free college and got here on a family visa, I see no evidence that they will oppose big government liberalism. In fact the opposite.
I did see it says Rubio's idea doesn't offer a path to citizenship and that the Democrats are opposed to it. Now it might be a smart thing to do to propose ‘compassionate’ looking immigration reforms and let the Hispanics watch Democrats kill them. In real life it could be amended to include path to citizenship before a vote and backfire.
And as I recall the amnesty GWB RINOs here used to say that we have "Shamnesty" now and any bill passed would be better than that.
The new way to get amnesty around the unemployment rate is to focus on illegals going to college.
I do like the idea of putting 'compassionate' looking bills up that Dems kill then going full court press on how Dems hurt minorities, but only Dems know how to play this game. Republicans are not smart enough to pull that off it seems.
” I do like the idea of putting ‘compassionate’ looking bills up that Dems kill then going full court press on how Dems hurt minorities, but only Dems know how to play this game. Republicans are not smart enough to pull that off it seems. “
Smart enough? Sure they are....balls enough? NO.
By the way....don’t trust Rubio.
LOL @ trip down memory lane. Yep, but even that added to cementing our friendship.
On the serious side, that was the heart of the pool side discussion: watch him, he is not to be trusted. Apparently, those guys were right.
Please give my best to my gal pal and tell her I miss her. Some of us are in the midst of making “loose plans” to storm the convention. More later.
In real life it could be amended to include path to citizenship before a vote and backfire.
I think Dems would kill a Rubio-style dream act (no voting rights, assuming Pelosi/Reid didn't swindle the GOP), but suppose they passed it. Then:
1) They would claim that a small number of illegals would qualify, but squishy language in the law could multiply the numbers who qualified, especially with the help of rogue judges.
(NOTE for following comment: It refers to POLITICAL "XXXX-Studies" programs. I have great respect for Hispanic literature, music, philosophy, etc. I have read Borges, Unamuno, Marti, etc. in Spanish.) They could create bogus political college programs for "Reconquista Studies," "Dream Act Studies," etc. even worse than the ones we have now.
And of course even current family-based immigration policy would make the number legalized grow exponentially.
2) I believe such a "Dream Act" would become a laboratory for leftists and RINOs to develop tactics to promote general amnesty, while trying to add voting to that "Dream Act" by hook or crook.
The GOP is NOT going to win elections by out-pandering the Dems. If GWB had "seen us at the signing" as he promised, McCain might get an extra 1 or 2 percent of Cal. Hispanics, but he would still lose that state big time. The Left would have methodically and inevitably used amnesty to build unbeatable national majorities, and there would be no legal remedy after that.
Maybe Rubio should emulate Obama by promising amnesty in the first year and then not do it.
Your memory is exactly right!
” And as I recall the amnesty GWB RINOs here used to say that we have “Shamnesty” now and any bill passed would be better than that.
Your memory is exactly right! “
Verbatim
Perhaps, but as a rule of thumb I oppose ANYTHING that has the word "in-state tuition rates" and "undocumented immigrants" in the same sentence. I could care less whether it gives them amnesty and/or citizenship as an added bonus. People in this country illegally (whether its their own fault or not) should not have access to discounted to tuition that American citizens don't have. I argued this point with Perrybots a thousand times, and they'll just scream it's heartless and racist to make illegal aliens pay the SAME tuition rates that I would have to pay if I decided to enroll in a Texas or California university. How ridiculous. We must be the only country on the planet that gives illegal aliens preferential treatment over our own citizens.
>> Oh, goody.....the GOP now has its own Wise Latina....oops, Wise Latino....nope, keep it Wise Latina <<<
LMAO! I never trusted Rubio, and STILL don't, though it was a no-brainer to back him over DIABLO Crist after the orange menace officially became an "independent". And quite frankly, the other choices in the primary were a joke, no matter how some now-banned freeper babbled on about "The Honorable Dr. William M. Escoffery III, M.D." and his citizenship in four countries. ;-)
Still, I'll keep my eye and Rubio and I'm wary of this bill, but we'll see what the final version says.
>> The democrats seem to loathe this bill. Rubio should have called it something it else. <<
That could be a positive sign, but on the flip side, I also know most liberal RATs who loathe No Child Left Behind, Joe LIEberman, and Mark Kirk, all of whom I despise as well, so it's not a slam dunk. A stopped clock is right twice a day. Maybe Rubio thinks he's giving the GOP a tactical advantage by coming up a "conservative" education bill that helps immigrants, but you can't out-pander the RATs. We'll see what the final version says.
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