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The GOP is basically finished. Time to go the way of the Whigs. (Vanity)
4-16-12 | Mozillla

Posted on 04/16/2012 12:09:46 AM PDT by Mozilla

Basically the GOP is too divided to ever unite. There is a deep level of distrust and various factions want different things. People do not agree on whom the best candidates are anymore. Us Conservatives, like me, were all over the map as person after person fell apart in the presidential republican primary. Romney is the final nail in the coffin. Newt, to me, has no chance and he has his own baggage. He has a good message though, but it is too late to do much. I personally think it is time to just end the party.


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To: stig
I don't understand the logic.

Because it is not logic, it is a childish tantrum.

If their guy doesn't get picked, they quit, take their ball and go home.

61 posted on 04/16/2012 5:57:28 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: stig
Any talk of staying home if Romney is the GOP pick is nonsense

I for one am not staying home; rather, I'm voting for a conservative... just as planned all along.

62 posted on 04/16/2012 6:01:15 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: preacher

Some or most here seem to believe that the most pressing thing to do is to destroy the GOP. Those that believe that should really work and vote and work for hussein because that is the most effective approach to accomplish that end.
If elected, Romney will have a lot of pressure to govern as a conservative. If he does not, conservatives will rightly mount a conservative primary challenger.
I don’t believe it is hyperbole to worry that hussein will establish a Chavez like dictatorship via rigged elections and executive orders that will effectively prevent any meaningful opposition.


63 posted on 04/16/2012 6:04:02 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: USS Alaska

It’s always been that way on here, if their guy doesn’t get in they sit and whine and do what ever they can to undermine the final candidate so they can say “Look, see, if you voted for my guy we would of won”, it’s easy to make a statement that cannot be proven or disproven, but it makes them feel better.

We have too many that would prefer to create a self predicting prophecy than to actually do something to push our cause forward.

Their ego means more to them than actually doing something.


64 posted on 04/16/2012 6:04:11 AM PDT by gjones77
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To: Mozilla

I checked around for a conservative party and only one I found that was national and could qualify was the Consitution Party which holds their nominating convention this next weekend...
Any FREEPERS her voted for them or has an opinion on them? They have been around I guess for 20 years.
Freegards
LEX


65 posted on 04/16/2012 6:06:26 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: stig
I also don't have a reason not to take him at his word for what he is currently saying on the campaign trail

Which campaign trail, and which word? Romney's been all over the political map, and that's why people don't have a high level of confidence he's a leftist hiding in conservative clothing. His campaign manager's "Etch-a-Sketch" comment exacerbated an already distrustful environment.

Romney has no "base" of support beyond the GOP diehards, he's been woefully inconsistent on issues from illegals to guns to gays to abortion. As such, people simply don't trust him.

The GOP establishment pushed Romney all along, not with the goal of victory in the Presidential election, but to woo enough moderates in order to hold onto the House and maybe have a hope of taking the Senate. They may accomplish their goal in the short term, but at a much bigger price of alienating conservatives.

66 posted on 04/16/2012 6:13:29 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: faucetman
It is time to start a new Conservative Party which will plunge a dagger into the heart of the current establishment Republican Party. Without Conservative support, the Republicans can win NOTHING. Even as a minority, we have the POWER, if only we would exert it.

You're absolutely right.

"It does not take a majority to prevail … but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men."

-- Samuel Adams

And we have the foundation laid.

America's Party

67 posted on 04/16/2012 6:16:42 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Throw all the bums out.' It's not a slogan. It's the survival of the republic.)
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To: gjones77

ABO-Ad infinitum, nothing is worse than Obama as president, nothing.


68 posted on 04/16/2012 6:35:35 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

I won’t tie up bandwidth cutting and pasting the Constitution Party’s platform, but here’s the link to it.

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php

It’s worthwhile to have a look. I did after the GOP quit the post during the lame duck session debacle in 2010. The Republicans showed NO fight on the repeal of DADT and the ratification of New START.

The Constitution Party is far more along the lines of conservative thought than the modern-day Whigs, aka the GOP. My hope is that the Tea Party conservatives, without whom the GOP would still be in minority status in the House, would look toward the Constitution Party as a home that gives REAL voice to the conservative cause. The GOP establishment views the Tea Party as merely a necessary evil to be used to electoral means and no other.

The GOP is a dying entity. The sooner the conservative movement recognizes this, the better.


CONSTITUTION PARTY PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATING CONVENTION

Wednesday, April 18, 2012 at 12:30pm - Saturday, April 21, 2012 at 8:00pm
Location: Sheraton Music City Hotel
777 McGavock Pike
Nashville, TN


69 posted on 04/16/2012 6:35:56 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: Mozilla

You do realize that, the last time this happened we had Civil War, in which more Americans were killed than in any other war in which we have been involved, right?


70 posted on 04/16/2012 6:39:46 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: KSanders

Sooner or later this is inevitable. We are going to have to take on the GOP establishment, defeat it, and send it the way of the Whigs.

Are the stakes just too high to do it in this election? That’s the decision we all have to make.


71 posted on 04/16/2012 6:54:04 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: stig
He is not my choice candidate but I also don't have a reason not to take him at his word for what he is currently saying on the campaign trail.

You can't possibly be that stupid.

Or, maybe you are.

72 posted on 04/16/2012 7:07:05 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: DH

It is difficult to argue with that. I wish I could, but it would be difficult. It reminds me of something I read 2 weeks back that made
me realize something - Mitt Romney is NOT a RINO. He is a Republican. It is Conservatives who are Republicans in Name Only, since the GOP is not conservative.


73 posted on 04/16/2012 7:14:27 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: ScottinVA

Thanks for the response...after I see who they nominate at that Nashville Convention I might vote for Constitution party. A couple of the canidates have a likable platform and the party platform is conservative.
I like the idea of a Biblical based, pro life, pro founder view of the Constitution.
Thanks again an Freegards
Lex


74 posted on 04/16/2012 7:37:16 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: grumpygresh

“If elected, Romney will have a lot of pressure to govern as a conservative. “

I disagree. If Romney wins, he will be under no pressure whatsoever to govern as a conservative, since he will have won the election despite the vehement objection to his candidacy by real conservatives.

In fact, he may even feel pressure to govern even more to the left than he already does...


75 posted on 04/16/2012 7:53:05 AM PDT by ladyrustic (Get in the face of a liberal, in honor of Breitbart.)
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To: Mozilla
I personally think it is time to just end the party.

I'm personally sick and tired of Chicken Littles. 3rd parties are only good for a protest vote for a case like a Romney. Overall, they have always been a failure, are a failure now, and always will be a failure. Because the presidential nominee - one person - is a giant turd, you're going to ignore the just as important down ticket elections, bitch, and quit like Private Pyle on the obstacle coarse.

Instead of bitching get involved and fix the party.

76 posted on 04/16/2012 7:53:38 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (The Republican Party is bigger than the presidency)
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To: reaganator

The Presidential Election is going to have only two results;

America wins

or

America loses

Well we know the answer to the second is a definite if Obama wins.....

Look we are fighting a social and demographic race that will push us more to the center to win. These are facts. The world is rapidly changing. As much as I hate to see it those whom are young, foreign or first generation Americans do not put much thought into the past, tradition and so on. It’s passe’ and the party will become so if we do not move in a modern direction for modern times. We must be inclusive to survive and that means taking on some different ideas. Don’t get me wrong our side has the best fundamentals but everything in life is not that rigid or one sided.....

The biggest issue I see is with the youth then the Latino. I look forward to seeing how Mitt handles this over the summer as he needs inroads as the GOP is not attracting these voters. I’m 50 yrs old and white, upper middle class. When I am 70 I do not want to see my party be known as the second coming of the Whigs... ADAPT!


77 posted on 04/16/2012 7:53:44 AM PDT by Republic Rocker
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To: preacher

As much as I despise Romney, if he is what we are left with, he gets my vote. All the anti-Romney ppl who will “send a message” by not voting for him, should he be the candidate, are simply trying to position themselves to say “see, we told you he wouldn’t win” or “see, now that he’s president, he’s doing the same thing as Obama”. What a sad lot.


78 posted on 04/16/2012 7:55:06 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: rlmorel
You analogy is spot on.

But, let me add, the pig is poison and eventually it must be regurgitated or death is the inevitable result.

79 posted on 04/16/2012 7:58:26 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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