Posted on 04/15/2012 8:39:45 PM PDT by true believer forever
While everyone is in the weeds counting delegates and wondering who Santorum will endorse (it will be Romney), few people are talking about the degree to which the GOP will be emboldened if Romney gets the nomination. It will be a sign to them they can get the evangelical, social and fiscal conservatives to fall in line, all they have to do is wait them out.
A few days ago, Mark Levin said he was disgusted with the Republican establishment, right after he said, 'we conservatives have to work together to pull out a victory for Mitt Romney’, just one of the presumed conservatives who have fallen in line with the GOP this past week. Establishment Republicans now know without a doubt that the base, its leaders and luminaries, can get to the point of total disgust with the GOP, and they will still fall in line.
Last cycle, Huckabee helped split the conservative vote, and make a path for the squishy one. This time it's Romney in the it’s my turn circle… Next year it will be Santorum. And Santorum will be sufficiently and properly neutered if he gets his turn next, count on it.
And where is last cycle’s Santorum, Mike Huckabee, who played the evangelicals big time in 2008, right now? Hosting a radio show competing with Rush.
We are at the breach, and there is still time, though barely. If people like Levin, DeMint, Sarah, etc., would jump in now – and they won’t – grab this moment, secure it and swing it back full bore at the GOP, the King Georgers would get a message loud and clear, they can't take the base for granted. And maybe the next time they think about trying their Karl Rove Gambit, they won't.
We can't look for help or expect anyone with power to give us a hand. We can either stand up and get in the battle, or hand the GOP another reward, a compliant conservative base, whom the GOP already despises and take for granted.
"The only thing holding us back right now is intimidation over the giants we face. They are not bigger than we are if we stand together." ~ butterdezillion
Heck Karl Rove already stated that the conservatives will have a temper tantrum over romney but they'll get in line just the same. They already "know"...there's no wait to it in their minds. They've been here before...nothings changed from their perspective.
Of course Santorum will support Romney. Whatever move he needs to make to secure his political ambitions and remain within the Washington loop. We knew that when he refused to drop out when Newt had the ball...in fact many of us knew he was simply the Gop's and medias alternative to Newt...they played the SAntorum hand and it was a win for them and a win For SAntorum....
Anyway...
Regarding Soros and a communist-Islamist alliance working together to make the Sept 2008 run on the bank - I’ve got a bunch of reasons I suspected this, and it turns out I’ve got good company. Read the thread at
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2871569/posts
Regarding Soros’ threats on the media, a starting place (with lots more links) is at:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2868290/posts?page=22#22
Regarding Soros’ threats on the Hillary supporters:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/hillary-supporters-untold-obama-horror-stories/
Also see thread and source at:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2867307/posts
No, don't apologize for what you believe, especially if you have researched it to your satisfaction..
I would say I agree with about half of what you said, some of it I am ignorant of totally...
And even though I think Glenn Beck has gone mental, some of the stuff he was saying, that has been proven true, just shows that the most outlandish things have truth in them to a certain degree or other, with some totally true..
I especially, though, agree with the financial collapse. Adn I read something very interesting once, how obama and the dems bullied their way in and took over the whole situation before he was even elected, because the repubs and dems both knew he would be.. and convinced W likewise.
That is where I think a major scandal is waiting for a future pulitzer prize winner...
with this election, there is just no time to follow up on that stuff - for me, at least - but you should keep posting stuff when you find it... it needs to be heard. People can make their own judgments.
STAY STRONG!!
RE: "We knew that when he refused to drop out when Newt had the ball..."
Well, I didn't. I mean, I thought he had some principles, but the Santorum supporters I know, very hardcore, are really angry with him for quitting... and when they tell me about their anger... I try to be all I'm so sorry, and then remind them gently about when he said about pledging his life his fortune and his sacred honor... and a little later in the conversation, how he said one of the reasons he said he got out was 'he didn't like the amount of debt he was collecting'...
There was actually an article on Newsmax yesterday, with one of the evangelical leaders, a Santorum supporter, saying they should have backed Newt.
So there is a little light there...
SANTORUM - Mission Accomplished.
I don't know whether you know it or not, but you have really hit on the heart of the matter... if people can just be brought to sitting down and listening to Newt, they almost always come away impressed, and considering supporting him, and after another 2 or 3 sit-downs they are convinced. That is why the media continues the Newt blackout.
Even grudging supporters like you are welcome :)
Thanks for having an open mind. Got friends who might vote for Newt? :)
The reason Newt didn’t get on the ballot in Virginia is because the VA GOP workers decided they would require petitioners to also provide their ADDRESS. Only they didn’t tell anybody that. So they ended up throwing out enough petitioners that Newt and Santorum didn’t make it on the ballot. The Mitt and Ron Paul petitioners never got checked for addresses because the VA GOP head set an arbitrary “grace margin” - a certain number of excess signatures that would supposedly guarantee that the candidate had enough valid ones even if there was fraud. And Ron Paul and Mitt Romney had enough signatures that they fit into that grace margin.
IOW, as long as they had ENOUGH Mickey Mouse signatures on the petitions, the signatures on the petitions for that candidate would never be checked for validity. Newt and Santorum just missed that number (aw, shucks), Romney and Ron Paul just exceeded that number (imagine that), so Newt and Santorum’s signatures were checked and excluded because they didn’t have addresses provided - which was an extra requirement (not provided for by state law) that the VA GOP just sort of tacked on there without telling anybody. If there had been enough with addresses, they would have required mother’s maiden name, height and weight, or some other nonsense - whatever their whims told them because God knows nobody has to know what the rules are before the rules apply...
And now you know why I believe the GOPe is just as criminal as the DNC. There is foul play all over the place - some of it in plain sight like this, where the GOPe apparently has no fear of any consequences (which should tell us what else they are capable of...)
I’ve been talking a lot about lawlessness. Well, the GOPe speaks mobster language just like the dems do...
I’ve got enough stuff I could probably convince you on most of it, but as you and I both said, there’s just not time to go into that kind of detail at the moment. That’s why big lies work. Small lies are what people can fit in between work and family and feel confident that they’ve adequately processed the evidence.
Deciding where best to focus attention is tough when there’s so much critical stuff and time is running out on getting a conservative nominated. I’m praying for wisdom, for all of us. And thanking God that we’ve got a bunch of us so we can all take one part and do what we can.
Let’s roll.
Yeah, but the way he did it -- most of Newt's backers say something really noncommital or totally supportive, like Newt will be the nominee, so I can't see answering your question... I think my thinking is probably skewed because I don't believe Cain is really supporting Newt, just using him.
Oh, I definitely agree that the GOP is criminal. I’m not even going to bother to distinguish the GOP-e, the whole thing sucks.
I don’t have any doubt that nonsense occurred in Virginia. However, dirty tricks should be anticipated. This should not happen to any candidate again in the future. Make sure you got more than what you need, especially if you are conservative, otherwise the GOP will toss you right out.
It should be well known now that the GOP is the enemy of conservatives and the Tea Party, and it is the friend of democrats. Everyone must now know this, including us, all rank and file, anyone running under their header, anyone making donations, anything of the sort.
The GOP is not only part of the problem, it is a HUGE part, and I’m done with it November 3, 2012 12:00:01 am
Whatever you’ve got, the GOP can make sure that what is required is one piece more than that. It’s the same process that was used in the FL election in 2000. As long as the rules get to change as you go along, the people who make the rules can always make sure they get the outcome they want.
Newt being stiffed means he knows the crap that’s being done. One more reason the GOPe is scared of him.
One more reason I want him fighting for me. And for this country.
Rush has talked about Hilary Rosen being told by the DNC to attack Ann Romney, and is suggesting that the plan backfired on them. I think the plan did exactly what it was supposed to do: it provided a reason for conservatives to solidify behind Romney, to defend his poor little wife. The DNC didn’t need to get liberal women to despise stay-at-home moms; they’ve already showed their cravenness in their response to Sarah Palin just because she had 5 kids including a Downs Syndrome son. The DNC needed to get CONSERVATIVE women to think that Ann Romney is their standard-bearer. Right at the time when real conservatives were having to decide how to respond to Santorum’s departure - whether to continue the resistance to Romney, or to give in. The DNC wanted the Rosen comments to become viral, knowing that the best way to unite a country/movement is by having it at war/attacked. So they attacked Ann Romney the stay-at-home mom, knowing that conservative women would want to come to her defense.
Neither Gingrich nor anybody else with a day job realized the aggressiveness of Romney or how much he wanted the nomination and how much advance planning he had done. Santorum did, but since he didn’t have a day job either, he could afford to go and spend a couple of years canvassing the Midwest.
That was what enabled Santorum to get his early win, along with the fact that most GOP voters are not fiscal or political conservatives but social conservatives, and he was the one who decided that this would be his pitch (even though both Perry and Gingrich had longer track records as social conservatives). However, in the long run, Santorum and Romney shared the same big-government ideas, so while he may have forced Romney to make more socially conservative statements, his voters were voting only on that one basis and actually weren’t looking for a political or fiscal conservative.
So therein lies the problem. The fact is that GOP voters are little different from Dem voters; the soccer mom may want somebody who’s not a raving pro-abortionist, but she also wants a big-government “compassionate conservative.”
Whenever people got to hear Newt, they loved him. But he had no infrastructure here in Florida - even though thousands of people turned up for his talks and cheered all the way through, as opposed to hundreds at best for Romney’s talks (with no cheering!), you couldn’t even get yard signs for him. Romney, in the meanwhile (and Paul, oddly enough, who was very popular here), had been busy distributing yard signs for nearly a year in advance.
Should Gingrich have been ready for this? Probably, and in addition, I was not impressed by the people I met on his campaign, so he probably should have spent more time working on his infrastructure.
However, the fact that the “front runners” started finding ways to avoid debating him, and the fact that the press practically locked him out after he challenged them in SC, shows that they were aware of his campaign strategy, which was visibility, debates and ideas.
As for Rush, I attribute the first big anti-Gingrich wave to Rush’s stupid statements that Gingrich was anti-capitalist because he questioned Romney’s version of his past business history. Nowadays, Rush sometimes says things just to say them after a quick glance at a headline (or because he doesn’t hear a question very well and hasn’t understood it), but since the Dems and the GOP E were just looking for an excuse to get rid of the radical Gingrich, Rush gave them all the excuse they needed.
However, the fact that Gingrich is still in it shows that he still hopes to get a hearing. Remember, guys, this is about ideas and political track record, not about a candidates’s marital status, number of children, number of sick children, the physical appearance of his wife (as if anybody could be worse than Michelle!) or anything else.
It was Newt who said he was pledging his life, his fortune and his sacred honor...maybe Santorum tried to copy that later, since people were really impressed when Newt said it, but because it was false in the case of Santorum, I guess it just didn’t have the same ring.
But I think the thing that this highlights is that social conservatives, which was the group Santorum was successful in winning, are not necessarily political or fiscal conservatives. They don’t seem to realize that these things are all of a piece, and if you give your economic and political life to the government, your social conservativism has also been surrendered into government hands.
Thanks! Feel free to use it all you like :)
Ah yes, I had forgotten about that anti-capitalist bit that occurred when he attacked Romney. I recall being angry about Newt saying those things myself.
I hadn’t considered supporting Newt by this time, I was still smarting over the destruction of Cain, so I criticized those comments myself, and it is possible that those comments did have some effect on his candidacy, but I cannot be sure.
By the time the FL primaries came around though, I softened my position on Newt realizing that none of our candidates are perfect, I had decidied that he had the best grasp of conservative ideas and should be nominated well before someone such as Romney.
Sadly, that was just about the time that all air left the Newt balloon.
Personally, I don’t care if he stays in or not. I’m going to vote for whomever the nominee is, as long as that person’s name is something other than Obama, my standards are not high any longer.
I don’t think we are going to win this, and I hope to High Heaven that I am dead wrong, but it really seems like the GOP does not have the answer to american communism, and it never will have it or anyone in it that will have it.
These communists are going to have to be defeated in the harshest possible manner such that anyone who even thinks of walking down this path anytime in the next 250 years will say Hell no, I ain’t walking down this path, did you see what happened to the last guys who tired this?
The GOP does not have the mettle, or anywhere even close to any mettle at all, to assist in such a necessary solution.
Ugh. Depressing that they're just realizing this now. I believe the evangelical endorsements are the only reason Santorum won anything in this primary. Despite 7 months of campaigning in Iowa, his polls were flatlining until the last weekend before voting when he got the evangelical endorsement. I know in Florida the evangelicals in Texas had a real debate and Newt was a strong second choice. If they had backed Newt, it would have been all over for Romney. He would've got his liberal blue states and Mormon states and nothing else.
Check out http://electad.com They’ve been archiving all of the candidates’ speeches, interviews and ads. There are hours of recent Gingrich speeches there. The recent town hall in Delaware starts out with a brilliant discussion of his social security reform. Another great one was a month or two ago in Oklahoma...Oral Roberts University maybe?
This one from before the campaign is my favorite, Gingrich to Michigan: Change or Die:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyi5JsYeY6E
Also, check out Newt’s NRA speech from LAST year. Another great one and he goes into a wonderful 10 minute history lesson on Washington’s Crossing to help explain the importance of the 2nd amendment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aMNzrPovu8
The bizarre thing was that Gingrich was defending capitalism as a productive economic system, but questioning Romney’s version of his business background. Romney was not in a productive business, the foundation of capitalism, but in a speculative financial business, which has its essential place but is a lot different from building a productive business, particularly since Romney seems to have gotten certain government breaks here and there along the line. Romney was trying to pretend that he was like his father, president of AMC, a captain of industry. However, even there he lied, because he said he decided not to “go into the auto plant like his father,” as if Daddy had been working on the line and not president of the company!
I never figured out whether Rush (a) misunderstood the message (which may not have been well presented; it was done by the PAC and not by Gingrich, although he approved it at a time when the consultants were telling him to be more aggressive and go on the attack) or (b) was just trying to be provocative, ala Neal Boortz. But whatever, it gave the liberal press and the GOP E talking points.
But leaving that aside, I don’t think it matters how many of us hold our noses and vote for Romney. I did that the last time around with McCain, and the problem is that it doesn’t work. There aren’t enough people who will vote for an imitation Dem (McCain/Romney) instead of a real Dem (Obama). The majority of the people - and there are more registered Dems than GOPers - will vote for the real Dem.
I have family members who can’t stand Obama because of his black power/Islamic nonsense and his obnoxious wife, but they’re going to vote for him because he’s got the unions in his pocket. Obama’s personal unpopularity is not going to matter. Unless we present an alternative to the Dems, people will vote for the real Dem instead of the imitation.
That said, I agree with you, I honestly don’t think the GOP has the guts or the brains to present an alternative to communism, whether soft communism or the harsher type (it will begin as the first and progress to the second).
I’m not feeling very hopeful, but I just gave another few bucks to the Gingrich campaign...newt.org...because I know that it’s not much, but I don’t want to feel that I didn’t try to do anything. I can’t believe so many people have just resigned themselves to letting our country be taken away and turned into almost the opposite of everything we have always held.
Seriously, this thought depresses me enormously every day.
Newt said 3 minutes into this speech on Saturday that he got 6,000 donations since Santorum dropped out.
Which is kind of hilarious because Eric Bolling just did that gas price special with Palin on FOX where his plan to bring down gas prices was to regulate speculation, make it more difficult and expensive for the financial people to speculate on oil contracts. Yet he was one of the guys claiming he was a rock-ribbed conservative who couldn't stand Newt's criticisms of "capitalism." Ah, but, in the course of the special, Bolling admitted that his suggestion would make it easier for the BIG Wall Street firms like Goldman Sachs to speculate on oil contracts, and only block out the smaller firms. Just more evidence that the Republican party elites and their media arms FOX News, Drudge, Coulter, most of RINO radio, are solidly in the back pockets of big Wall Street money from the likes of Goldman Sachs. It's only "attacking capitalism" if it hurts the deepest pockets on Wall Street. If it hurts the smaller businesses, it's just smart regulation.
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