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1 posted on 04/15/2012 5:29:06 AM PDT by rellimpank
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This differs in every state. Florida requires that you be observed firing a pistol by a certified instructor. MOST people I know go through several hour-long or even weekend-long practical pistol training courses for their certificate of completion requirement. One local range offers two 6 hour weekend day training classes that include firing over 300 rounds in various situations.

And more importantly, DRIVING IS A PRIVILEGE, NOT A RIGHT! The right to self-defense with a firearm is ensconced in common law. We don’t have to train to use our fists or a knife or a metal rod sitting in a gutter either!


2 posted on 04/15/2012 5:32:59 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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Let's see if a two-hour course should be required before anyone is allowed to possess a Bible. After all, if a training is needed to lawfully exercise Second Amendment rights, how about for exercising First Amendment rights?

Some of the questions ask by the participants could have been answered by simple common sense.

I keep hearing about "common sense" applied to guns one way or another, it sounds like this course fits the bill perfectly, if a training is supposed to be required at all. What's the complaint? That you don't want the training to be "common sense"? What would you prefer in that case? Should liberals stop talking about "common sense" as applied to guns, if in fact that isn't what you want?

3 posted on 04/15/2012 5:36:31 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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So just how much training did this urinalist have to obtain his First Amendment License? /spit
4 posted on 04/15/2012 5:39:35 AM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management.)
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Now imagine taking a two-hour gun safety course in which you never actually handle a gun or even a facsimile of a gun.

I'm not certain that a 2 hour course meets the requirements to obtain a permit in Wisconsin. If true then it sounds to me like the guy is fudging his article.....

5 posted on 04/15/2012 5:40:12 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Would I like to be young again? No, I worked too hard to get here, I don't want to do it again)
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A $50 fee to do what God has given us the the right to do when born...


6 posted on 04/15/2012 5:43:11 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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No hands-on training or instruction is given in how to vote either...


7 posted on 04/15/2012 5:44:27 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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In my state I walked into the county sheriff’s office and say, “hi Sam, I need a carry permit”. I fill out the application, have my photo taken and 6-weeks later the permit arrives.

In Nevada I had to attend a 6-hour course, go to the range and shoot 10-rounds each from three distances for each of the guns I wanted to register to carry. On the back of the carry card is a list of all guns and calibers which are permitted based on my qualifying. Nevada does not recognize permits from other states.

In Arizona it was a nine-hour course over 3 evening sessions of 3-hours, then qualify at the range.

All states are different; but I don’t mind the course requirement. The Arizona and Nevada courses were excellent and good refreshers.

Good shooting!


9 posted on 04/15/2012 5:47:11 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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Here in NH you don't need to take any type of course for your CC License.
Sign the paper, give 3 references and within two weeks you get your CC ... a piece of paper signed by the Chief with no photo on it. Now it is encouraged that CC holders take courses and we have a fine Sig Sauer academy close by for classes as well as many ranges with NRA classes, but you are not required to take them. I don't remember seeing in the 2nd Amendment a section for training courses.
10 posted on 04/15/2012 5:47:21 AM PDT by CapnJack
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In the recent past everyone would have known about firearm safety because their daddies would have taught them when they were young’uns...Stevie666


11 posted on 04/15/2012 5:48:52 AM PDT by szweig (HYHEY!! (Have You Had Enough Yet))
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How much of that $50 fee goes to the government?

I see nothing in the second amendment about licenses, fees or “training”.


12 posted on 04/15/2012 5:50:58 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Haggai 1, V6.. and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes. (My plight))
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Another bed-wetting lib checks in.


14 posted on 04/15/2012 5:55:29 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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Please FReep the unscientific poll at the article site, asking if people should be required to handle a gun in the CC class.
16 posted on 04/15/2012 5:58:39 AM PDT by rabidralph
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Don’t get me wrong. I’m in no position to complain about any of the 49 state’s requirements about licensing. I live in Illinois, where it’s still a felony to think about guns.


18 posted on 04/15/2012 6:02:14 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Haggai 1, V6.. and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes. (My plight))
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“Your article has been submitted for review”???

Something new on FR?


21 posted on 04/15/2012 6:12:03 AM PDT by Peet (Cogito ergo dubito.)
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Imagine being able to publish a daily newspaper and not having to practice journalism.


22 posted on 04/15/2012 6:20:41 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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Stupid laws make for stupid courses. See your local university curriculum.
Simply requiring a course does not make people smart nor does it have anything to do with the real agenda here.


23 posted on 04/15/2012 6:21:00 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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In N.Dak a class 2 ccw permit is a open book written test only. A Class 1 permit (utah 33 state permit) is a 4 hour classroom and range ability test on both strong hand shooting and off hand shooting ability.


24 posted on 04/15/2012 6:21:00 AM PDT by sbark
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Because it is OUR responsibility to be proficient with weapons, not the state. The real question is WHY do we have to have permits and classes.
26 posted on 04/15/2012 6:28:36 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.)
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Hey those idiot journalists went to journalism school for four years and they are much more ignorant, illogical, and stupid for the effort.


28 posted on 04/15/2012 7:04:34 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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Probably 9 out of 10 of the 2nd Amendment loving firearms enthusiasts I know learned basic firearms safety and skills as a youth. Typically this was from a parent, aunt/uncle, or older sibling. The few people I know who came into the fold later in life have all taken firearms safety and skills classes. Some have done both, learned as children and been formally trained. (yours truly included)

In thinking about this article two things jump out at me. One is historical. It is amazing how similar the training was that I got from my parents and from formal instructors. Handed down rancher/farmer lore vs formal classroom and supervised range work - both had the same basic messages re: safety. Both included the same basic procedures. Both included much of the same technical/technique information. My takeaway from this experience is that firearms enthusiasts take it very seriously, just as seriously as the pros. Hence there is great commonality in the message. Besides, there's only just so many ways to skin a cat, as the saying goes.

My second thought, more current and apropos to this "article" is this. This is a right. There should not be any training requirement, any fee. If you can afford a firearm and want to carry - carry. The corellary to that however is, anyone that is going to own/use a firearm would be a fool not to get some instruction.

Even if that instruction amounts to nothing more than going to a local range, finding an open lane, then asking the person next to you for some pointers - do it! Two things I've noticed about fellow firearms enthusiasts. One, we are never in a hurry on the range (basic safety). Two, everyone I've met has been friendly and we obviously share a common interest. Besides, it is in our own best interests to help ensure the person next to us on the range is operating their firearm safely ;-)

29 posted on 04/15/2012 7:15:49 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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