Posted on 04/12/2012 12:11:40 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
George Zimmerman, the Neighborhood Watch volunteer arrested yesterday in the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, faced a judge for the first time this afternoon.
Meanwhile, a probable cause affidavit has been filed in the second-degree murder case. In the two-page document, prosecutors offer little new information about the shooting.
However, they said in the affidavit that "Zimmerman confronted Martin," an apparent contradiction of Zimmerman's version of the events that led to the shooting.
The document says Trayvon's mother identified the screams for help heard in a 911 call as those of her son. It also reveals that investigators interviewed a "friend" of Trayvon's who was talking to him in the leadup to the shooting.
Based on the description, it appears the friend was the girl described by Martin family attorneys as his girlfriend.
"During this time, Martin was on the phone with a friend and described to her what was happening," the affidavit said. "The witness advised that Martin was scared because he was being followed through the complex by an unknown male and didn't know why."
Martin tried to run home, the affidavit says, but was followed by Zimmerman. "Zimmerman got out of his vehicle and followed Martin."
The affidavit goes on to say that "Zimmerman disregarded the police dispatcher" who told him to stop, and "continued to follow Martin who was trying to return to his home."
Zimmerman, the affidavit says, "confronted Martin and a struggle ensued."
According to the affidavit: "Trayvon Martin's mother has reviewed the 911 calls and identified the voice crying for help as Trayvon Martin's. Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest."
Zimmerman's first appearance began just after 1:30 p.m. He faces a second-degree murder charge in the Feb. 26 shooting, which sparked international outcry.
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” So why didn’t Treyvon run he could have easily run away. Instead he chose to return to the area where Zimmerman was and confront him. It is very clear from Zimmermans conversation with the police dispatcher that he had lost sight of Treyvon and he was agreeing with the dispatcher on a place to meet soon to be arriving police officers. That being said all Zimmerman had to do was wait that is until he was attacked then it became a matter of self defense. I say Zimmerman Is Innocent.”
So do I.
They do not seal this one. It is the one on which the judge bases his decision to hold the defendant over for trial. You do not seal it. The judge said so at the end of the hearing. The defense atty agreed. They were worried about addresses and identities. There are none in this one.
And of course his girl friend wouldn’t lie, his mother is an expert at voice identification, and DAs NEVER over state a case/s
[Wagist timeline] Evidence that Trayvon Martin Doubled Back
FR thread with the Wagist link
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Another timeline by Freeper PhatHead
Then why didn’t Trayvon Martin call 911?
Well, Zimmerman is still alive. So, perhaps he can recreate his screams for some audio engineers and jurors to analyze.
A Hispanic guy can’t question a black guy....
Wow. A second-degree murder indictment on two pieces of hearsay. No wonder the prosecutor didn't want to go to the grand jury with this.
The judge who is going to hear this case in May....her husband is in legal partnership with atty Mark Nejane...he is a legal advisor on HLN?? That is the same one? Does anyone know anything about him? I am just curious. And also, wonder if I spelled his name correctly. Think so. I know him when I see him.
Very well said! I need to work on my English composition skills.
Classic switch from active to passive voice.
"The gun went off," not "I shot him."
You expanded on my post 27 -
since Zimmerman “dissed” Martin,
Martin had a [black] right to kill Zimmerman.
Would Zimmerman give up his right to defend his life if he threw the first punch, started losing the scuffle, and ended up in a life threatening situation with his brains being splattered on the sidewalk?
If Zimmerman touched Martin first, or impeded his travel IN ANY WAY he will likely be found guilty, if not of 2nd Degree, then manslaughter.
Having been on numerous criminal juries, most of the jurors I was on with strongly used the “smell test”. If something in one side’s story smells like a rat, its seen as a rat. In other words common sense prevails. No spitshining or spin gets beyond that simple fact.
As outside bystanders, we are hearing spin, not cross examined courtroom facts.
Don’t claim to be an attorney, but my reading of the law is that if the fight started as an aggravated assault (or other felony) by Zimmerman on Martin, he loses the right to claim self-defense. There are varioius categories of felonies and I have no idea how they’d play in.
There are “possibly” various exceptions to the rule above, but since the fight in question apparently lasted well under a minute, I don’t see how they could come into play.
But there’s a guy around here who will probably show up soon and show me why that’s wrong. :) I learned a lot from him yesterday.
The fix is in. Now all they need is a do-gooder jury loaded with “caped crusaders” looking to “send a message” to gun owners.
As soon as Investigator Angela Corey said this was about “justice for Trayvon”, you knew Zimmerman was in trouble.
That being said, I am reserving judgement on what I think happened until I have more facts.
If Trayvon did attack Zimmerman, then Zimmerman had every right to defend himself.
If Zimmerman pursued Trayvon, started a fight with him, and then shot him, then it changes things.
We don’t know what Trayvon was up to that night. Was he really just walking home from 7-11 with a snack, or was he burgling? Did Zimmerman catch him doing something, confront him, get attacked, and then shoot him? Lots of questions still.
To me, the biggest story is the way the media jumped on this thing and fanned the flames without having the facts. They showed photos of Trayvon from when he was 12, rather than more recent pictures of him with the gold teeth. The media was definitely trying to influence opinion. They doctored a tape to make Zimmerman appear racist. They insisted he said “coon” when it turns out he said “cold”. They showed photos of Zimmerman in a prison jump suit. They insisted he was white, then “white-hispanic”. They repeatedly told us that Martin was carrying Skittles and iced tea, as if that alone absolves him of any possible wrongdoing (because everyone knows you can’t do anything bad whilst carrying Skittles and iced tea). The media allowed Al Sharpton to lead a protest, and then host a show covering the protest.
The media jumped to conclusions without the facts. I’m not going to do that. Need more facts.
By the way, can you believe that we are back at the Orlando courthouse? What is it about that place?
Conversely, if Zimm was just out to kill someone why would he call 911?
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