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1 posted on 04/07/2012 5:04:31 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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It seems that almost everyone (especially the afraid-of-their-own-shadow PC morons that make up the current editorial staff of NRO) is missing the point of Derbyshire's piece -- he is commenting ironically on "The Talk" that black parents allegedly have with their sons about the nature of being a black man in America. One is reminded of the furor Jonathan Swift endured after he published A Modest Proposal.

Go read Derbyshire's piece. Then check out these articles, all linked and referenced in Derbyshire's first couple of paragraph:

Trayvon Martin tragedy brings focus to 'the talk' for black parents

Hoodie wearers say there's no reason to stereotype

Black parents live in fear after Trayvon Martin case

Trayvon Martin and ‘the Talk’ Black Parents Have With Their Teenage Sons

Darryl E. Owens: Revisiting 'The Talk' that black parents give to keep their children safe

Read them all and then tell me what Derbyshire's point is.

He should have known better -- in a dumbed down society, satire is no longer an acceptable medium.

55 posted on 04/07/2012 8:03:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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I'm 7th generation Mississippian and it never ceases to humour me to watch so many freepers talk about blacks like they are exotic and mysterious to them.

You come from where I do and you know it from early on as did all I come from.

Sad thing, is it is exponentially worse now than the subtle differences I knew as a kid and white trash once very distinguishable has joined troupe.

unfortunately...no doubt the lower ebbs of white culture will display exactly the same IQ means and other fun stuff in another generation

maybe that is what folks want ...one big brown mess of dysfunctionality..hey...at least it got rid of racism...but you know what...it won't

62 posted on 04/07/2012 8:20:54 AM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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Poor white guy violates many of Derbyshire's number 10 points. Things go bad rather quickly.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2e4_1333470460

63 posted on 04/07/2012 8:32:48 AM PDT by Drew68
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The most honest article about race in American that I've ever read.

I'm sure Derbyshire will be punished for daring to utter the truth.

I note that he has thoughtfully provided links illustrating his major points, which will make it doubly infuriating to the liberals and the PC Rino contingents.

71 posted on 04/07/2012 10:09:57 AM PDT by mojito
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Full article (If not allowed due to copyright, please pull):

There is much talk about “the talk.”

“Sean O’Reilly was 16 when his mother gave him the talk that most

black parents give their teenage sons,” Denisa R. Superville of the

Hackensack (NJ) Record tells us. Meanwhile, down in Atlanta: “Her

sons were 12 and 8 when Marlyn Tillman realized it was time for her

to have the talk,” Gracie Bonds Staples writes in the Fort Worth

Star-Telegram.

Leonard Greene talks about the talk in the New York Post. Someone

bylined as KJ Dell’Antonia talks about the talk in The New York

Times. Darryl Owens talks about the talk in the Orlando Sentinel.

Yes, talk about the talk is all over.

There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too.

My own kids, now 19 and 16, have had it in bits and pieces as

subtopics have arisen. If I were to assemble it into a single talk,

it would look something like the following.

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

(1) Among your fellow citizens are forty million who identify as

black, and whom I shall refer to as black. The cumbersome (and

MLK-noncompliant) term “African-American” seems to be in decline,

thank goodness. “Colored” and “Negro” are archaisms. What you must

call “the ‘N’ word” is used freely among blacks but is taboo to

nonblacks.

“There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids,

too.”

(2) American blacks are descended from West African populations,

with some white and aboriginal-American admixture. The overall

average of non-African admixture is 20-25 percent. The admixture

distribution is nonlinear, though: “It seems that around 10 percent

of the African American population is more than half European in

ancestry.” (Same link.)

(3) Your own ancestry is mixed north-European and northeast-Asian,

but blacks will take you to be white.

(4) The default principle in everyday personal encounters is, that

as a fellow citizen, with the same rights and obligations as

yourself, any individual black is entitled to the same courtesies

you would extend to a nonblack citizen. That is basic good manners

and good citizenship. In some unusual circumstances, however—e.g.,

paragraph (10h) below—this default principle should be overridden

by considerations of personal safety.

(5) As with any population of such a size, there is great variation

among blacks in every human trait (except, obviously, the trait of

identifying oneself as black). They come fat, thin, tall, short,

dumb, smart, introverted, extroverted, honest, crooked, athletic,

sedentary, fastidious, sloppy, amiable, and obnoxious. There are

black geniuses and black morons. There are black saints and black

psychopaths. In a population of forty million, you will find almost

any human type. Only at the far, far extremes of certain traits are

there absences. There are, for example, no black Fields Medal

winners. While this is civilizationally consequential, it will not

likely ever be important to you personally. Most people live and

die without ever meeting (or wishing to meet) a Fields Medal

winner.

(6) As you go through life, however, you will experience an ever

larger number of encounters with black Americans. Assuming your

encounters are random—for example, not restricted only to black

convicted murderers or to black investment bankers—the Law of Large

Numbers will inevitably kick in. You will observe that the means—

the averages—of many traits are very different for black and white

Americans, as has been confirmed by methodical inquiries in the

human sciences.

(7) Of most importance to your personal safety are the very

different means for antisocial behavior, which you will see

reflected in, for instance, school disciplinary measures, political

corruption, and criminal convictions.

(8) These differences are magnified by the hostility many blacks

feel toward whites. Thus, while black-on-black behavior is more

antisocial in the average than is white-on-white behavior, average

black-on-white behavior is a degree more antisocial yet.

(9) A small cohort of blacks—in my experience, around five percent

—is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to

inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks—around

half—will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in

some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural

willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling

that whites have it coming.

(10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of

individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide

you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common

sense:

(10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you

personally.

(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

(10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date,

find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that

date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to

death by gunshot).

(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.

(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks

suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.

(10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black

politicians.

(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her

character much more carefully than you would a white.

(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress,

e.g., on the highway.

(10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say

something polite but keep moving.

(11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites.

The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81;

forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is

more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are

more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in

every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or

nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in

countless everyday situations. “Life is an IQ test.”

(12) There is a magnifying effect here, too, caused by affirmative

action. In a pure meritocracy there would be very low proportions

of blacks in cognitively demanding jobs. Because of affirmative

action, the proportions are higher. In government work, they are

very high. Thus, in those encounters with strangers that involve

cognitive engagement, ceteris paribus the black stranger will be

less intelligent than the white. In such encounters, therefore—for

example, at a government office—you will, on average, be dealt with

more competently by a white than by a black. If that hostility-

based magnifying effect (paragraph 8) is also in play, you will be

dealt with more politely, too. “The DMV lady“ is a statistical

truth, not a myth.

(13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many

intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (I’ll use IWSB as an ad hoc

abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make

friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of

friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-

destroying accusations of prejudice.

(14) Be aware, however, that there is an issue of supply and demand

here. Demand comes from organizations and businesses keen to

display racial propriety by employing IWSBs, especially in

positions at the interface with the general public—corporate sales

reps, TV news presenters, press officers for government agencies,

etc.—with corresponding depletion in less visible positions. There

is also strong private demand from middle- and upper-class whites

for personal bonds with IWSBs, for reasons given in the previous

paragraph and also (next paragraph) as status markers.

(15) Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs

are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate

jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations,

coveted by the less prosperous. To be an IWSB in present-day US

society is a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group

of human beings in history. Try to curb your envy: it will be taken

as prejudice (see paragraph 13).

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

You don’t have to follow my version of the talk point for point;

but if you are white or Asian and have kids, you owe it to them to

give them some version of the talk. It will save them a lot of time

and trouble spent figuring things out for themselves. It may save

their lives.


80 posted on 04/07/2012 1:49:11 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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a small cohort of blacks—in my experience, around five percent—is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks—around half—will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that whites have it coming.

raise that 5% to about 10 and IMO this is dead on and is quite similar to what I have already told my own two boys about race.

81 posted on 04/07/2012 1:54:36 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (if it weren't for double standards the left wouldn't have any standards at all)
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http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/04/why-john-derbyshire-hasnt-been-fired-yet/50803/

Why hasn’t John Derbyshire been fired yet.

FR gets a mention as being even more racist than him.


83 posted on 04/07/2012 2:33:44 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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I learned many of these things while a liberal, and living in a city. After describing my personal experiences of being assaulted by inner city youth, without any judgements, or considerations of causation, I was called a racist and a skinhead by so-called liberal friends. I am not a liberal anymore.


84 posted on 04/07/2012 3:33:40 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama is afraid if he needs to start a fight with Catholics. He's losing the women's vote!!!)
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And this clever commentary is what got John fired from NRO???


88 posted on 04/07/2012 4:40:32 PM PDT by phillyfanatic
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96 posted on 04/07/2012 6:07:49 PM PDT by narses
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One thing is certain many/most people know the truth. Being able to have that honest discussion that Holder wants is quite another thing as evidenced by the so called 'conservative' NR.
110 posted on 04/08/2012 6:13:56 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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http://amren.com/news/2012/03/trayvons-tweets-and-black-hate-crimes/


120 posted on 04/08/2012 8:15:02 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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#1 the FR thread on Derbyshire's original article.

The original article is here at Taki's magazine, if you can get it to load correctly. It's been a busy, busy site, and yes, it's because of this article..

128 posted on 04/08/2012 10:49:39 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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John Derbyshire is about to hit 67, and is undergoing cancer treatment. He had indicated, via a third party on Steve Sailer's blog, that he would be grateful for any donations that fans and well-wishers can muster up via his website, which contains the archives of all the material he's ever done, including the transcripts of his acerbic and amusing weekly radio broadcasts.
144 posted on 04/08/2012 4:12:06 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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I can’t get the link to work. Did you save a full copy?


163 posted on 04/09/2012 6:50:12 AM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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Never mind, I found it.


164 posted on 04/09/2012 7:05:16 AM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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I just remembered something from way back in 1976. I was visiting Washington D.C. that summer, staying at the YCWA, and was given “the talk,” by a black D.C. cop. He used a map I had to point out where it was safe to go, and what areas to stay the hell out of.


167 posted on 04/09/2012 7:57:10 AM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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“Sean O’Reilly was 16 when his mother gave him the talk that most black parents give their teenage sons,” Denisa R. Superville of the Hackensack (NJ) Record tells us.

I had the talk with my blonde, blue eyed, white boys when they were 14...

177 posted on 04/09/2012 2:52:00 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (The government, by its very nature, cannot give except what it first takes.)
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Derbyshire bump


181 posted on 04/12/2012 7:49:03 PM PDT by Dajjal ("I'm not concerned about the very poor." -- severely conservative Mitt 'Etch-A-Sketch' Rmoney)
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