Posted on 04/05/2012 11:21:37 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. (AP) - A military board says a Marine who criticized President Barack Obama on his Facebook page has committed misconduct and should be dismissed.
The Marine Corps administrative board made the decision Thursday after a daylong hearing at Camp Pendleton for Sgt. Gary Stein.
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If Obama over-rules SCOTUS when they overturn healthcare, we need to get conservative governors to secede, and get rid of this trashbag.
Terms of unification are impeachment of Obama for fraud and high treason.
Lawful. How do you know what if it’s lawful if you don’t ask. Only a robotic mindset would. ...You obey first and question the order next to the person above that NCO or officer who ordered it. You give up your right to life, liberty and the pursuit of (property) happiness when the uniform goes on. You cannot refuse to get on a chopper when you know the chances of coming back are slim, you cannot do what you damn well please because a firefight requires you go where you are told and you cannot claim it would make you happy to be put on a plane to Honolulu instead of being chest deep in mud in some rice paddy.
“Military cohesion overrides free speech”
***If that was true..don’t ask don’t tell would still be on the books****
should he be dismissed.....
Yes
should he run for office
Yes
The military does not practice democracy (nor should they) they uphold the Constitution (or should be).
Unfortunately the Officer Corps is more political (or if you please CHICKEN SH!T) than they need to be, and relatively stand in the shadows as treasonous politicians are allowed to flourish (See NDAA, and HB 347 if you want to see first hand) not to mention KenyaCare (which BTW the unelected 9 are deciding)
And your ability to get a question answered properly instead of ASSUMING you are UPHOLDING the Constitution.
This is not about a rice paddy vs. Hawaii. You are reducing what THE PROBLEM is here. Can't you even see that much?
You don’t vote on what base you get stationed at. You don’t vote on which war you fight in
Any military run on the principle of democracy would implode inside of a year.
I agree.
They lose freedom of speech when serving America?
That has always been the case. I know that for 24 years I didn’t have the same rights as a civilian. I just hope they give him an honorable discharge. If not, he will not get the GI Bill, medical benefits or an VA help at all. Not to mention, a job with any state, county or federal government job and most likely zero job at any major company in the country. This is so overblown it is crazy. Send him to Office Hours and put him on restriction for 60 days and go on with his career. Believe it or not, he did wrong but this is very overblown.
Buy a clue - this ISN’T about that!!!! NO ONE is talking about YOU or voting for anything but about an OATH. Get with it already. If you can’t, drop it!
It’s a volunteer army. And they have rules. If you want to break the rules...either leave on your own...or they’ll open the door. Did he REALLY just want to get out of his stint??
We have never been in this situation before in our country. It’s time the military would BE ALLOWED to obey the oath they took. It seems we are past that part as PATRIOTS are squashed down. It can’t survive without them - so the future is obvious.
The military leadership is ROTTEN TO THE CORE.
Corps—in this case.
Torresala also said anti-Obama comments by Stein that were posted on a Facebook page used by Marine meteorologists were prejudicial to good order and discipline, and could have influenced junior Marines.
Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but in the private sector if you did this with the CEO and posted it on a company Facebook page, it wouldn't take nearly as much time and care as the Marines took before security would show up at your office to escort you to the front door.
I answered your question a long time ago..What are the obvious reasons?...You obey orders, not vote on them.
As a retired Army NCO, I agree. But I also worry that we are in a situation unlike any we have faced before. We have an individual who would not hesitate to sign an Executive Order overriding Posse Comitatus, and order our own military to force his policies on the American People. That order would then be technically "lawful".
I want our military to have leadership that would at least think about these orders before implementing them, just as I want sworn police officers who will think before following orders to confiscate firearms.
Perhaps they are already one step ahead of the Posse Comitatus Act, now that we have police that are trained and equipped like the military in every city, county, state, and federal agency.
Like anyone EVER thought one votes on them. LOL!!! As if that’s an answer.
Military cohesion overrides free speech, The military protects democracy, but it does not practice it.
The problem as I see it stems from the fact that he created a political FB page “Armed Forces Tea Party” and also posted similar comments on a non political FB meteorology page that was created for and used by his fellow military meteorologists for the purpose of discussing meteorology.
While I may not disagree with the gist of what he said, Sgt. Stein did not IMO use good judgment in expressing his opinions and did not do so as a private citizen given the forums he chose on which to express those opinions.
Look at it another way. If a Marine had done something similar when GWB was president, publicly posting anti-GWB posts questioning the legitimacy of his presidency saying Bush stole the election from Gore and questing whether he is bound to follow orders as a result, most of us would feel it correct for him to get the boot. Or similarly, if I work for Company XYZ and create a FB page under my own name identifying myself as a Company XYZ employee, “Company XYZ Sucks” and post comments like “my boss is an incompetent jerk and our products are crap” (even if my boss is an incompetent jerk and our products are crap), I shouldn’t be all that surprised to get canned for saying so.
Sgt. Stein is not prohibited as a private citizen even while serving, from expressing a private opinion, voting as he chooses, contribute as a private citizen to whatever causes or political parties he wants to, but doing so while in uniform, starting or promoting a political club or movement while identifying one’s self as an active member of the military is a different matter.
Pentagon directives say military personnel in uniform cannot sponsor a political club; participate in any TV or radio program or group discussion that advocates for or against a political party, candidate or cause; or speak at any event promoting a political movement.
When and if Sgt. Stein is actually faced with obeying what he truly feels is an unlawful order, he should take his concerns up the chain of command first and if he feels so strongly about an order, he can always resign under his conscience.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2868833/posts
Well, look at this - someone ‘gets it’.
John L. Perry has courted controversy by suggesting that the U.S. Military, upholding their oath to defend the Constitution against domestic enemies, could stage a bloodless coup to oust President Obama. In an article originally posted on the Newsmax website, Perry wrote, “There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America’s military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the “Obama problem.” Don’t dismiss it as unrealistic.”
Conscience? Nothing about he not being ALLOWED to follow his oath?
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