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Shooting in the Dark (Trayvon Martin - George Zimmerman)
Reason Magazine ^ | April 4, 2012 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 04/05/2012 11:57:05 AM PDT by EveningStar

Three things people don't know about the Trayvon Martin case (but think they do)

(Excerpt) Read more at reason.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; reasonmagazine; trayvonmartin
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A reasonable analysis of the case.
1 posted on 04/05/2012 11:57:07 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: wtc911

Have you read this article?


2 posted on 04/05/2012 11:59:23 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
A reasonable analysis of the case.

Can I sell you a bridge in New York?

3 posted on 04/05/2012 12:20:30 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: EveningStar

” But if Zimmerman did more than tail Martin—if he shoved him or displayed his gun, say—he might qualify as the initial aggressor.”

1) There is zero evidence that Zimm shoved Trayvon.

2) If Zimm “displayed his gun” why would Trayvon risk attacking Zimm?

As of today, every allegation the MSM made about Zimmerman has proven to be bald faced lies, or audio/video tampering, which should be criminal.


4 posted on 04/05/2012 12:20:48 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: EveningStar

He left out the Kel Tec malfunction and the info that other than the bullet wound, Martin didn’t have any other injuries which correlates with being an aggressor.


5 posted on 04/05/2012 12:21:40 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: EveningStar
Only one thing matters ---- who started the fight and why. And, that is what nobody except Zimmerman knows.

All the people asserting that 'the only possible scenario is that martin hid then stalked and jumped zimmerman while he was walking to his truck' are as pathetic as those who swear that zimmerman set out to kill martin because he was black.

6 posted on 04/05/2012 12:25:04 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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1) There is zero evidence that Zimm shoved Trayvon.

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There is also zero evidence that martin started the fight. Eye-witnesses say he was winning but nobody has said that they saw it start.

Plenty of fights end up with the initiator getting his ass kicked.

Every "martin started it" speculation is just that, speculation that is un-supported by eyewitness statements.

And, it is just as easy to present speculative scenarios, based on the same limited information, that have zimmerman the aggressor....including one wherein zimmerman did continue to follw martin or that their paths crossed after zimmerman's call and that martin wanted to know why zimmerman was following him, and that zimmerman showed or started to pull the pistol and then martin, in accordance with SYG tried to keep from getting shot.

There is nothing in any eye-witness statement or taped call that says that this could not have happened. Unfortunately these days the bar for something to be considered true is so low that all it takes is...well, prove it didn't happen that way.

The point is that you don't know...I don't know...Al Sharpton doesn't know....and we probably never will.

7 posted on 04/05/2012 12:38:17 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911
Only one thing matters ---- who started the fight and why. And, that is what nobody except Zimmerman knows.

yes and that is why if there were a fair trial all other scenarios beyond his testimony (as long as it it is supported by the evidence and does not contradict it, which has thus been the case) would not surpass reasonable doubt and his presumption of innocence.

8 posted on 04/05/2012 12:41:31 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (if it weren't for double standards the left wouldn't have any standards at all)
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To: EveningStar

Zimmerman did not ‘take it upon himself’ to follow Martin.

As I pointed out yesterday, from the 911 call, the dispatcher told Zimmerman to let (the dispatcher) know if (Martin) was up to something. Zimmerman apparently took that comment on face value, until the dispatcher told him differently later in the call.


9 posted on 04/05/2012 12:41:31 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: wtc911
“All the people asserting that ‘the only possible scenario is that martin hid then stalked and jumped zimmerman while he was walking to his truck’ are as pathetic as those who swear that zimmerman set out to kill martin because he was black.”

My assertion is that based on the available evidence (and there is a lot of evidence available) the most likely scenario (by far) is that Martin jumped Zimmerman. If new evidence is presented, I am open to changing my conclusion (not that my conclusion really means anything in the grand scheme of things).

10 posted on 04/05/2012 12:55:41 PM PDT by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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” The point is that you don’t know...I don’t know...Al Sharpton doesn’t know....and we probably never will. “

We know the MSM has lied from day one. THAT we do know.


11 posted on 04/05/2012 1:00:02 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: blueplum
As I pointed out yesterday, from the 911 call, the dispatcher told Zimmerman to let (the dispatcher) know if (Martin) was up to something.

You mean the dispatcher's 19:12:39 where he says George might mention it if the scary black man looking at him actually does something?

12 posted on 04/05/2012 1:05:31 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: EveningStar
Have you read this article?

Another Obama speech?

13 posted on 04/05/2012 1:10:04 PM PDT by Publius6961 (ItÂ’s easy to make phony promises you canÂ’t keep. - Obama, Feb23, 2012)
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To: EveningStar
Although Martin was understandably nervous (and possibly angry) about being followed, that by itself would not justify the assault Zimmerman describes.

Where has this guy been the last decade or so?

Doesn't he know that racism is a capital crime? And profiling someone to the point you'd follow them is prima facia evidence of racism? (but only if directed against certain minority groups)

14 posted on 04/05/2012 1:10:31 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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Does anyone have information about the bullet wound and what it says about their relative positions when the weapon was fired?


15 posted on 04/05/2012 1:14:36 PM PDT by Taylor42
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To: Taylor42

Not released.


16 posted on 04/05/2012 1:30:19 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: EveningStar

http://i40.tinypic.com/10oh06b.jpg

Yeah --imagine in ALL the coverage of Manson's crimes, the media used the photo on the RIGHT --how would that sit...?

Dishonest, huh? What would you say if people in that day KNEW they had done that, but CONTINUED listening to those media sources...?

17 posted on 04/05/2012 2:01:27 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin

I didn’t know that Reason Magazine was part of the MSM.


18 posted on 04/05/2012 2:07:21 PM PDT by EveningStar
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” I didn’t know that Reason Magazine was part of the MSM.”

I didn’t know that 90% of the Republicans in the House & Senate were spineless, gutless whores until Obama was elected. The things you learn over time....


19 posted on 04/05/2012 2:44:46 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: wtc911

Did you see the comment by Zimmerman’s lawyer that he had passed a “voice stress test”?


20 posted on 04/05/2012 3:14:18 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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