Posted on 03/31/2012 4:44:41 PM PDT by Krankor
Yes. All of her testimony pertains to observation after the altercation had concluded.
The police say that she at first refused to give any testimony, then she helped the other witness prepare a sworn statement. The police directly say that Cutcher is not telling the truth about not being asked for her testimony. Cutcher is telling one thing to authorities, and a different thing to the press.
I read your post re her inconsistency (as far as police were concerned. My question is why are people trotting out her statement(s) when by her own admission she didn’t see anything until after the gunshot?
She contends the incident couldn’t have been self defense. How does she know if she didn’t see anything until after the gun shot? It sounds to me like she is agenda driven.
I have a hard time assigning motive to people who deliberately steer away from the truth. One way they do it, and the press is doing this, is tell part of the story; cherry pick. Another way, and Cutcher is doing this, is outright lie.
Check this, in the NYT on : Travyon Martin Shooting Death Prompts Calls for Justice Department Inquiry - LIZETTE ALVAREZ - March 16, 2012
The police in of Sanford, where the shooting took place, are not revealing details of the investigation. Late Friday night, after weeks of pressure, the police played the 911 calls in the case for the family and gave copies to the news media. On the recordings, one shot, an apparent warning or miss, is heard, followed by a voice begging or pleading, and a cry. A second shot is then heard, and the pleading stops."It is so clear that this was a 17-year-old boy pleading for his life, and someone shot him in cold blood," said Natalie Jackson, one of the Martin family lawyers.
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Good stuff at JustOneMinute. Tom McGuire is a very good writer, very fair, thorough, and fun to read. Highly recommended.
Back to Cutcher, I wouldn't accept anything she says to the press, certainly not at face value. When she submits to making a sworn statement, I'll consider that.
As an aside, have you ever seen the Lawrence O Donnell Charles Blow “grilling” of Joe Oliver? Worth a look if you’re looking for a laugh.
Let’s assume that Zimmerman made a mistake following Martin. How much of a beating was he obligated to take prior to defending himself? If Martin beat him to death was he obligated to just accept that?
The above is a fact?
Tom Owen. Is he really a "forensics expert?"Folks, this is the quality of evidence that the MEDIA is using to support absolute conclusions that Zimmerman was not shouting.Well, no. He has a B.A. in History, not forensics. ...
But surely he's a member of the American Board of Recorded Evidence?
Yes, but he and his wife run the Board. He's the chairman, and she's a board member. The Board is run out of a weight-loss clinic in Springfield, Missouri along with a bunch of other dubious "boards," "colleges" and "Institutes." ...
Now, let's examine the software they used to perform their analysis. How good is it?
Well, given two KNOWN samples of speech by President Richard M. Nixon, the software only matched two recordings to a 86% match.
Remember, Mr. Owen said he'd expect a 90% match before he concluded that the voices were identical. Although when he's testifying in murder cases, he claims a 68% match is enough to send someone to prison for the rest of their life (CT v Sheila Davalloo). Even in the software makers own demonstration of the product, using two KNOWN samples of speech from the same famous person, there was only an 86% match.
What about the algorithm they're using to make the comparison? How good is it? UNKNOWN. That's proprietary. They won't tell you what they're actually measuring.
What about the second "expert," Ed Primeau. Surely he was educated in forensics?
Nope. He was a Communication Major, like Katie Couric. Only he didn't graduate and was awarded no degree. He was a probation officer
Here's what he said: "I believe that's Trayvon Martin in the background, without a doubt," Primeau says, stressing that the tone of the voice is a giveaway. "That's a young man screaming."
The public is criminally stupid, to accept anything the media says, as truth. There is no remedy at law, other than defamation (which Zimmerman has, in spades, against various individuals and news organizations), but the public at large has no remedy at law. Either you figure out how mendacious the media is, and treat them with the ridicule and scorn they have earned, or you fall for their crap.
I’ve been called everything in the book, but frankly, that isn’t one of them. Ifyou had a hint of even a tenth of my background, you’d feel like an idiot for saying that, but I digress: give me an example of one that you can prove got covered up.
[[Yes it is my understanding that in the beginning either Martin’s mother or father denied it was Martin yelling for help]]
the father apaprently told investigators that was ‘definately not’ his son- but I’m sure he’ll now be claiming he ‘misheard’ the tape
[[Martin was just walking back to Zimmerman’s truck to get a light for his cccigarette, when Zimmerman pulled his gun and shot Trayvon just for kicks....sheesh....I thought everyone knew this]]
I thought martin was headign back to george’s truck to invite george to sunday worship services that evening?
[[Martin could have went for the gun to protect his own life but at that point Zimmerman has to assume that Martin’s intention is to kill him and thus is in fear of his own life and is justified using it for self defense]]
And sadly this is what martin’s parent FIRST thoguht happend UNTIL the race baiters threatened them to change their story- Thism ostl ikely is exactly what happened, aqnd everyone knows it, but the race baiters will NEVER ever admit it because they need for htis to be a ‘hate crime’ comitted in cold blood
[[I’m thinking Jesse would like to take back the “Zimmerman shot Trayvon in the back of the head” thing. BTW did anyone ever call Jackson out on that?]]
no- you never call a black person out on anything- they can say and do whatever they want, and the mainstrweam media will NEVER call them out on it- Hell, they aren’t calling them out on the FACT that they are racebaiting and tryign to stir up racial hatred while IGNORING the FACTS of the case
[[So we are instead stuck with a world where someone like George Zimmerman sees an unknown black male walking through his community - a community that has been subject to a fair amount of crime - and his gut instinct is to be suspicious]]
That’s not exactly how it went down- George saw someone ACTING suspiscious- and walkign between housing units i nthe rain, at night- someone he didn’t recognize, and he even told the dispatcher the kid was actign strange and suspiscious- He had reason besides his gut instinct to think the kid was suspiscuious
exactly- And funnier still is the fact that the changed stories by the parents will count more than hte intitial stories they gaqve BEFORE they were corrupted by their lawyers and pressure form the left to distort their orignianal storiesp- oh, their lawtyers will no doubt argue that ‘they were udner too much stress to give an accurate statement at hte time’ and now their new concocted stories will carry more wierght than their original unvarnished unembelished stories will
[[Now, is he guilty? Beats me. But that is a VERY different test than whether or not he should be prosecuted. He should be and will be. It is an easy call.]]
``It is also disturbing to me that you, as a prosecutor, profess to support charging people with felonies in the absence of any analytical decision on your part that they have committed a crime.
How many defense attorneys have, in the face of your charges, told their clients “look man, this could go either way. If you plead guilty they’re offering five years of probation with no jail. If this goes to trial and you’re found guilty, you;re looking at ten years”. How many defendants took those pleas? How many of those defendants pleaded guilty to a crime for which your position was “is he guilty? Beats me.”
Perhaps this is the “Commonwealth” doctrine, since Virginia, as a Commonwealth tends to hold its citizens to a higher standard. I remind you that Florida is no such tyranny. Ironic, the Virginia motto: ‘Sic Semper Tyrannis.’
I’m reposting your post becase it’s VERY important for peopel to understand that because this is even going to trial, that their rights may someday be simply thrown out hte door just like George Zimmerman’s rights have been thrown out hte door- Zimmerman is now aqt hte mercy of a CORRUPT prosecutor, and liek you sdaid, He will most likely have to plead guilty at some point, which means his life is now over because a CORRUPT prosecutor cared more about vigilantee THUGS than she did abotu hte RIGHTS of George Zimmerman
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