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To: trappedincanuckistan
-- My question is why are people trotting out her statement(s) when by her own admission she didn't see anything until after the gunshot? --

I have a hard time assigning motive to people who deliberately steer away from the truth. One way they do it, and the press is doing this, is tell part of the story; cherry pick. Another way, and Cutcher is doing this, is outright lie.

Check this, in the NYT on : Travyon Martin Shooting Death Prompts Calls for Justice Department Inquiry - LIZETTE ALVAREZ - March 16, 2012

The police in of Sanford, where the shooting took place, are not revealing details of the investigation. Late Friday night, after weeks of pressure, the police played the 911 calls in the case for the family and gave copies to the news media. On the recordings, one shot, an apparent warning or miss, is heard, followed by a voice begging or pleading, and a cry. A second shot is then heard, and the pleading stops.

"It is so clear that this was a 17-year-old boy pleading for his life, and someone shot him in cold blood," said Natalie Jackson, one of the Martin family lawyers.

No correction issued.

Good stuff at JustOneMinute. Tom McGuire is a very good writer, very fair, thorough, and fun to read. Highly recommended.

Back to Cutcher, I wouldn't accept anything she says to the press, certainly not at face value. When she submits to making a sworn statement, I'll consider that.

483 posted on 04/02/2012 11:36:39 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

As an aside, have you ever seen the Lawrence O Donnell Charles Blow “grilling” of Joe Oliver? Worth a look if you’re looking for a laugh.


484 posted on 04/02/2012 11:51:12 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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Lifted from JOM
Tom Owen. Is he really a "forensics expert?"

Well, no. He has a B.A. in History, not forensics. ...

But surely he's a member of the American Board of Recorded Evidence?

Yes, but he and his wife run the Board. He's the chairman, and she's a board member. The Board is run out of a weight-loss clinic in Springfield, Missouri along with a bunch of other dubious "boards," "colleges" and "Institutes." ...

Now, let's examine the software they used to perform their analysis. How good is it?

Well, given two KNOWN samples of speech by President Richard M. Nixon, the software only matched two recordings to a 86% match.

Remember, Mr. Owen said he'd expect a 90% match before he concluded that the voices were identical. Although when he's testifying in murder cases, he claims a 68% match is enough to send someone to prison for the rest of their life (CT v Sheila Davalloo). Even in the software makers own demonstration of the product, using two KNOWN samples of speech from the same famous person, there was only an 86% match.

What about the algorithm they're using to make the comparison? How good is it? UNKNOWN. That's proprietary. They won't tell you what they're actually measuring.

What about the second "expert," Ed Primeau. Surely he was educated in forensics?

Nope. He was a Communication Major, like Katie Couric. Only he didn't graduate and was awarded no degree. He was a probation officer

Here's what he said: "I believe that's Trayvon Martin in the background, without a doubt," Primeau says, stressing that the tone of the voice is a giveaway. "That's a young man screaming."

Folks, this is the quality of evidence that the MEDIA is using to support absolute conclusions that Zimmerman was not shouting.

The public is criminally stupid, to accept anything the media says, as truth. There is no remedy at law, other than defamation (which Zimmerman has, in spades, against various individuals and news organizations), but the public at large has no remedy at law. Either you figure out how mendacious the media is, and treat them with the ridicule and scorn they have earned, or you fall for their crap.

487 posted on 04/02/2012 1:07:04 PM PDT by Cboldt
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