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Was Florida shooter a vigilante or diligent neighbor?
AP via Washington Times ^ | M>arch 22, 2012 | Mike Schneider

Posted on 03/22/2012 5:48:28 AM PDT by libstripper

George Zimmerman once took criminal justice classes at the community college and was practically a one-man neighborhood watch in his gated part of town, calling police close to 50 times over the past eight years to report such things as slow-driving vehicles, strangers loitering in the neighborhood and open garages.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: flshooting; zimmerman
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To: moehoward
Zimmerman had trouble getting out the address BEFORE he was allegedly beaten.

BTW, where's all that blood you'd have from a real up close and personal shooting?

Bet the FBI forensics people can tell how far away Zimmerman was when he shot Martin. 10 feet maybe, 15 feet? 30 feet? What's your guess?

Certainly more than right on top of him.

141 posted on 03/22/2012 9:45:05 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
So, where's all the blood?

You obviously aren't a hunter. A solid heart shot stops the heart. Rumor has it that stopping the heart also stops blood flow.

Yes. You need a trial. See you at your commitment hearing...

142 posted on 03/22/2012 9:54:51 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: libstripper

I have no idea of all of the details in this event. There should be a trial. But this much is true: Zimmerman’s actions precipitated the events that followed. The police advised him to remain in his vehicle. He chose to ignore the advice. NONE of this would have taken place had Zimmerman watched instead of taking action. It is, after all, called “Neighborhood Watch.”


143 posted on 03/22/2012 9:55:29 AM PDT by Clara Lou (ABO! Go Newt!)
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To: Dead Corpse
A solid heart shot stops the heart.
I am not a hunter. Is there no splatter from the bullet impact?
144 posted on 03/22/2012 9:57:30 AM PDT by Clara Lou (ABO! Go Newt!)
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To: muawiyah
"Zimmerman had trouble getting out the address BEFORE he was allegedly beaten."

Really. Tell you what. I've lived in the same small town (5 thousand pop) for 12 years. I could not tell you the name of all the streets in my development which is very small. I can give you fantastic landmarks to get you anywhere, but since I'm not a mailman, I do not have any reason to know specific addresses. Just my anecdotal supposition...

I haven't seen any pictures of Zimmerman at the scene or read any official reports of his condition. Perhaps you can direct me to this damning evidence.

145 posted on 03/22/2012 10:02:09 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: muawiyah
So, whatever the cops say ~ it's probably BS. That may be true, some or maybe even most of the time.

If you are ignoring what the police say then what are you basing your conviction that Zimmerman is guilty upon.

146 posted on 03/22/2012 10:03:16 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: libstripper

This is the one with the correct video

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation#ixzz1phFMGCu4


147 posted on 03/22/2012 10:05:51 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Ratman83
The recordings. The physical evidence of the community ~ you can get that at Google Earth.

The cops didn't want to release the recordings ~

Evasiveness brings everything into question, even BS ~ is it BS or is it distraction?

When you need sworn statements and they give you quasi interviews with people hiding behind doors and not showing their faces, that's probably BS too. We need sworn statements. We need policemen on the stand swearing to tell the truth. All of that.

I know the Leftwingtards are upset that all these people are Africo-Caribbean and African-American hispanics, but what the heck. They'll sort it out.

148 posted on 03/22/2012 10:09:17 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: moehoward
There's a report of grass stains ~ supposedly a cut on the back of his head. No report of any blood from his victim.

That's one of the reasons in cases like these you still need to PROVE the event ~ and the cops appear to have neglected to do anything more than the most cursory examination of the situation.

So, where's the blood? If the guy was on top of him when he shot him, then where's the blood?

149 posted on 03/22/2012 10:11:56 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Clara Lou
From a 9mm at close range? No. If it was a through shot, unlikely considering 9mm terminal ballistics in a thoracic cavity, there might have been out an exit hole. More telling would be burnt powder residue on the deceased. The more residue, the closer the shooter was.

All of this would have been in the coroners report the PD would have reviewed when making the decision whether or not to charge Zimmerman.

Logical conclusion, ballistic evidence corroborated Zimmerman's account.

150 posted on 03/22/2012 10:13:18 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Clara Lou
The victim is supposedly ON TOP and the shooter ON THE BOTTOM.

Hard to believe there'd be no splatter at all ~ but so far there's no claim that Zimmerman (the shooter) had any splatter on him ~ just a nick on the back of his head.

Later on I'm going to play back all the recordings and see if they indicate that Zimmerman is out on the public roads following Martin back to the development from the convenience store.

Now that I know the layout there this should be a slam dunk.

151 posted on 03/22/2012 10:23:16 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Ratman83
He was in the community with his father and his father’s girlfriend.

I am a Professional Eningeer, Civil.

How can I trust anything you report, when you can't even correctly spell your own profession on your homepage?

What does an en-in-geer, civil do?

152 posted on 03/22/2012 10:29:13 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: muawiyah
The 911 recordings do nothing to show Zimmerman’s guilt, it be used to show that he might be bigoted. Cops never want to release anything. That is not new and does nothing to show the guilt or innocence of Zimmerman.

Nothing you said supports either guilt of innocence of Zimmerman, it only shows that the cops are not releasing everything and that the news sucks.

Why a very forceful condemnation of Zimmerman on scant evidence.

Maybe Zimmerman attacked the kid or maybe Martin attacked him. Certainly enough doubt to go either way here. Normally I will go with not guilty without more info.

153 posted on 03/22/2012 10:35:40 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: muawiyah
"So, where's the blood? If the guy was on top of him when he shot him, then where's the blood?"

Call me crazy, but I prefer to focus on facts that have actually been disclosed. Just because police have not stated he was soaked in the 'victim's' blood, doesn't mean there is not blood transference to the shooter.

154 posted on 03/22/2012 10:38:29 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: USS Alaska
Yes I have a misspelling, just to get people to comment on it, as if they have nothing better to talk about. Many posters here love to criticize other poster’s spelling and/or grammar, instead of on the subject of the thread. It is a quick way for me to weed out those people.

And a link to an article with the claim of his fathers home being there.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-20120322,0,4469238.story

155 posted on 03/22/2012 11:05:41 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: faucetman

Sorry, the Constitution and Florida Laws ARE legitimate reasons.

Actually, the right to go armed for self defense is a basic human right and the human right and the Constitution merely recognizes and guarentees it. So in addition to legal a reason, he had a basic human right to do so.

But again, we need to wait for the whole story before rushing to judgement. He entitled to a fair trial, not a media lynching.


156 posted on 03/22/2012 11:20:10 AM PDT by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: muawiyah
Go to your local newspaper with that story - or if they won't cover it, go to a large city newspaper near you. The MSM doesn't like cops any more that they like conservatives. I suspect you've got a go.

That said - that has never been my experience with police officers. Most policemen today are college educated and they're not going to give up career and pensions to protect an informant. Anyhow, post the story when it's published.

157 posted on 03/22/2012 2:06:38 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: muawiyah
Zimmerman has yet to be demonstrated to have had a right to follow a guy around a public street stalking him.

Good grief..it wasn't a public street, it was private property with gates across the road and everything. People don't have the right to just wander in, and neither Martin or his father lived there.

Zimmerman doesn't have to justify his following Martin..Martin has to justify his presence on private property of which Zimmerman is one of the owners.

158 posted on 03/22/2012 5:02:53 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Dead Corpse
Logical conclusion, ballistic evidence corroborated Zimmerman's account. Concurring bump.

I also read that Chief Lee spent 27 years as a Seminole county homicide detective.

159 posted on 03/22/2012 5:12:51 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

You must have read a lot of posts already and know there are “gaps’. Please prove each and every contention you just made.


160 posted on 03/22/2012 7:03:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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