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To: RaceBannon; stowaway; jjm2111; Mrs.LoneGOPinCT; underbyte; badbackman; Bigfitz; mcswan; ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrislam

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=1366

http://www.chrislam.org/

http://apprising.org/2011/02/22/the-rise-of-chrislam/


2 posted on 03/21/2012 2:41:45 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Romney would surrender to Islam as fast as Obama promotes it)
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To: RaceBannon

These appear to demented bleatings. However, it must pointed out that The Vatican does not necessarily speak for the Catholic Church and, in fact, cannot do so where it counts.


9 posted on 03/21/2012 4:41:10 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...well, half-right, at least.)
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To: RaceBannon
If in the wartime period the Vatican had taken a moral stand against Nazism, the outcome might have been different for the Jewish people.

Bravo Sierra

Waiting for you to add your "whore of Babylon" gibe.

16 posted on 03/21/2012 5:27:05 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: RaceBannon

And what do you say to the Rabbi’s who have written very favorably regarding the role of the Pope and the Catholic Church in saving thousands of Jews during WWII?


18 posted on 03/21/2012 5:33:42 AM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: RaceBannon
If in the wartime period the Vatican had taken a moral stand against Nazism, the outcome might have been different for the Jewish people.

Glad to know you're swallowing the KGB's propaganda line straight up.

In reality, the Catholic Church was a bitter enemy of Nazism, the Nazis knew it, and Pope Pius XII was directly responsible for saving 860,000 Jewish lives.

19 posted on 03/21/2012 5:35:36 AM PDT by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: RaceBannon

Surprise, Christian are not Jews. It may by uncomfortable for Jews but Catholic theology holds that the Church is the new Israel and the true heirs to the promises. The old covenants were a foreshadowing and prelude to the New Covenant in Jesus Christ. Anyone familiar with Saint Paul would be aware of this.

This is not to say that God has abandoned the Jews but rather that at the time of our Lord there was a split in Judaism; some Jews accepted Jesus as the Messiah and some did not. To those Jews who did accept Jesus were joined the Gentiles who together form the Church. The covenant of Moses is no longer operative. This God himself has shown when he allowed the Temple to be destroyed and which has not been rebuilt for 2000 years.

As Saint Paul stated, there is no longer Jew and Greek. The path to salvation for the Jews is the same as that for the Gentiles, through Jesus Christ. To insist that Christians recognize the continuing force of the Old Testament covenants apart from the new universal covenant in Jesus Christ is to insist that they cease being Christian.


24 posted on 03/21/2012 5:58:25 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: RaceBannon
The concept of the promised land cannot be used as a base for the justification of the return of Jews to Israel and the displacement of Palestinians.”

Actually, I agree with this; except for the bit about "displacement of 'Palestinians,'" that is.

I've been arguing about this with people at my synagogue about the best way to argue for the right of the modern State of Israel to exist. The Bible is nice, but it doesn't convey any legal right or prohibition unless that right or prohibition is imported into a modern legal structure. Suggesting that it has some standing outside of a modern legal context is little different from suggesting that Sharia Law does.

The right of the people in Israel to govern themselves as they do is based upon the right to own and control private property. The land in Palestine was purchased by an assortment of people whom we refer to as Zionists beginning in the late 19th century (when it was mostly desolate) under the laws of the Ottoman Turks who controlled property transfers at that time. These purchases continued under British law after WWI, and now under Israeli law since 1948. The Arabs who didn't sell or abandon their property still have it (or the people they transferred it to do). To be sure some property, including Arab property, has been condemned under eminent domain claims. All governments do this. But the notion of Arabs being forced at gunpoint or similar threat to abandon their property is almost entirely false. Virtually no one has been displaced, unless perhaps they never had any legal claim in the first place. (And except perhaps in PA administered areas like Bethlehem, and there the only Arabs being displaced are Christian Arabs.)

ML/NJ

26 posted on 03/21/2012 6:59:40 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: RaceBannon
Still obsessively posting these ignorant anti-Catholic screeds after all these years?

You'd present a much better case if you could - just once a decade - prove to the membership that you're capable of rubbing two brain cells together.

27 posted on 03/21/2012 7:22:59 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: RaceBannon
The concept of the promised land cannot be used as a base for the justification of the return of Jews to Israel and the displacement of Palestinians.

This is a very powerful and dangerous MYTH.

30 posted on 03/21/2012 8:09:53 AM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: RaceBannon; All
What do I keep telling you all about those Mid-East chr*stians?

Jews and chr*stians may be friends in America, but the world is a big place.

31 posted on 03/21/2012 8:47:14 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: RaceBannon

Vatican Condemns Israel for Attacks on Lebanon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1665678/posts


36 posted on 03/21/2012 10:19:49 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: RaceBannon
The function by some individuals and groupings over the past two thousand years have indulged in the similar philosophies.
The gate is narrow. Only ONE is the true way.
45 posted on 03/21/2012 12:16:32 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: RaceBannon

This is not about replacement theology or the Vatican’s love of Islam. The Catholic Church must protect Christians as it can. Since the governing class in the west is now anti-Christian, it can expect no support. The only other option in dhimmitude.


51 posted on 03/21/2012 3:15:01 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: RaceBannon; piytar; Cronos; SJackson; the invisib1e hand; Graybeard58; netmilsmom; G Larry; ...
Freepers, please, please go into your rooms, by yourself with The LORD, and open up your Bibles and read. Ask The LORD to open up your eyes as to what it clearly (if eyes are not glued shut by Satan's lies, known as doctrines of demons, ofter propagated by one Church or another) and irrefutably says about the Jews. What the Bible says about the Jews predates the Law and also goes beyond the time of the Church. But don't take my word or anyone's word on anything, read The Bible!

If your prospective beliefs, usually acquired from your prospective Churches, are true, you have nothing to fear, because you will find them justified. If not, be ready to change, because reading God's Word with a pure heart cannot help but to change us.

Again, start really reading The Bible. Some do read The Bible, but how much and in what way? Do we read it merely to desperately find support for our own preconceived doctrines or do we read it asking The LORD to show us His truth, no matter what that may be? After we have read it once, we must read it again and again and will be amazed as to how The LORD reveals Himself anew each time we read it.

All this infighting by those who call themselves Christians is not God's will for us. I really believe that if we all start to, and continue to read His Word, we will find agreement, peace and love for each other, and no longer "be at each other's throats".

55 posted on 03/21/2012 10:40:08 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: RaceBannon

I think this excerpt and the underlying YNet article are meant to inflame, rather than inform. I want to make the following random, but related points.

1. There has been no such declaration “by a synod” (and I do follow these things closely).

2. The Patriarch’s opinions are not necessarily the Pope’s. In fact, judging by the Pope’s track record on this issue, I know they are not.

3. The Patriarch’s opinions may indeed be shared by some in the Vatican, but these do not necessarily shape policy.

4. There are indeed theological arguments questioning the “theological value” of the existence of the modern State of Israel. Many of these views emanate from so-called Ultra-Orthodox Jewish groups who believe that only the Messiah can restore Israel as a political entity. Leaders of this faction have been to Iran to hug A-jhad.

5. Nor is the modern State of Israel in isolation seen as “Israel” by the Church. Yes, the Jews in the State of Israel and beyond, and through the ages are “all of Israel” in the New Testament and Catholic theology.

6. Dispensationalism is a distorted interpretation of the Bible; we should put no credence on it.

7. The Catholic Church has pronounced herself in favor of the existence of the State of Israel. That’s why the Holy See has diplomatic relations with it. (D’uh).

8. The issue on how the modern State of Israel fulfills prophecy or possesses religious connotations impacting on Catholic theology remains AN OPEN ISSUE.

Hope that helps dispel the misinformation stated on this article.

+JMJ,
-Theo


78 posted on 03/23/2012 8:52:37 AM PDT by TeĆ³filo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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