Now, I think I understand your position. You don’t think the unborn are “people.” Well, what are they? Are you even prepared to offer an explanation of when a living fetus becomes a “person”?
The crux of the false analogy is that Mr. Friedman's distinction is not about "personhood;" it is about collective intent for genocide, which is a different crime than murder for convenience. The goal of abortion is not to kill all babies of only a particular race. Mr. Adams should learn better.
I would say that the Jewish Holocaust was a disaster that killed 6 million Jews. It seems that you would accept the word "Shoah" to describe this.
I would say that the Abortion era has been a disaster that has killed 50 million people. Would I be justified in using the term "Shoah" for this disaster? Could I use the word "holocaust"?
On a strictly numerical basis, one might say that the Abortion disaster is nearly ten times greater than the Jewish Holocaust -- but numbers are not everything, and I see no advantage to anyone saying this atrocity is worse than that atrocity. These atrocities are simply terrible and neither needs to win "the prize" of being the worst.
I am also reminded of the child sacrifices to Moloch, and how people who did not know God would throw children into the flames as burnt offerings.
Personally, I think that Mike Adams is justified in calling the Abortion disaster a "holocaust".
Whether you are correct may depend on which features of the Holocaust should be considered central to its moral repugnance. Is genocide a central element? Or would the government eliminating a similar number of families either to take their assets or simply because they would not conform to the new order be just as immoral? I worry about the effect of insisting on genocide as a central element of the Holocaust's evil. While genocide was an additional element of evil in the Holocaust, I don't see a huge moral gap between Hitler's targeted mass murders of Jews, gays, Gypsies, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and other "undesirables", and the less narrowly targeted but still horrifying mass murders committed by Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and others who interpreted socialism as violently as Hitler did but included more diversity among their victims.
mike Adams has good instincts, but he is a psychologist who has discovered how bankrupt and evil psychology is. Unfortunately, he is lacking in serious education, but he is coming along.
Nor was that the goal of the "Final Solution".
The Third Reich killed 6 million Jews.
They also killed 5-7 million Gentiles - Gypsies, Communists, the physically/mentally defective and others they found inconvenient.
Thinking back, the original goal of Margaret Sanger was, in fact, to kill all babies of a particular race ... "human weeds" she called them.
Respectfully disagree. The evil of the Nazi Holocaust was not in the killing of Jews, as such. It was in the killing of people. That the Nazis made a false distinction between Jews and all other human beings does not require us to accept their premise -- or to mimic it by saying the unborn aren't really people. They were killing people, period. We are doing the same.
You might want to reexamine WHY they were doing it. Not because they had studied up on the theology of Judaism and decided it was worthy of capital punishment. The evil motives were political and economic -- a diabolical hash of envy, scapegoating, greed and ignorance -- and all this had been brewing a long time in the German mind. Nazi politics, half-baked modernism, eugenics, 20th century science combined to make it a distinctive atrocity, but at base it was about killing people; murder. Our American Holocaust is of liberal politics, thoroughly baked modernism, eugenics and 20th century science. Redefine humanity to exclude Jews there; redefine humanity to exclude preborn babies here. Good Germans held their noses and knew nothing, good Americans do much the same, saying it's none of their business, it's between a woman and her doctor.
It's murder. In the millions.
1. Jews are an ethnic group, not a race.
2. Various criteria have been used throughout time to individuate groups targeted for deliberate slaughter. These include, without limitation, ethnicity, class, religion, ideology, race, location, birth order, and economic cost/inconvenience (e.g. as when the Nazis used “life unworthy of life” as a basis for murdering the old, infirm, handicapped, etc. and the feminists targeted unborn babies). In every case, there is collective intent. In the case of abortion it has gone one step further: the murder is now conducted on a commercial basis and the “businesses” engaged in the slaughter get to advertise for victims. This, I believe, is unprecedented. Of course, the commercialization of this form of mass murder has only been able to proceed because of “collective intent” (Note that “collective intent” can’t mean “unanimity”. Nevertheless, I don’t know of an instance of mass murder that has been more extensively or energetically promoted legally and publicly than abortion.).
3. In the 20th Century alone the list of peoples or groups deliberately murdered is depressingly long.
4. The “Shoah” was indeed a disaster and a horror. The fact that it was not a unique moral/hisorical event doesn’t diminish the utter evil of what the Nazis did to Jews.
5. Attempting to claim that different moral significance attaches to the various rationales for mass murder is senseless. It does not matter morally if people are murdered merely because they are kulaks, Armenians, Jews, class “enemies”, Hutus, “intellectuals”, not first-born, or handicapped or otherwise “inconvenient”. For example, claiming that murdering someone merely for being Armenian is “different” from murdering someone merely because he is a kulak is a distinction without a moral difference.
6. To the extent this thread is degenerating into a bizarre discussion of the alleged moral merits of the use of “holocaust”, “Shoah”, and “genocide” it is becoming absurd.
The goal of many pro-abortion people is to kill undesireables, especially non-whites. This has been true from Margaret Sanger until today.