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At a time when the native-born populations of North America and Europe are declining, should Western governments be giving out free contraceptives? Where are we going to get the taxpayers of the future, to pay the retirement benefits of Americans and Europeans? Should the taxpayers of the future come entirely from the third world?

The Catholic Church and its supporters are missing a golden opportunity, to talk about the tough issues that confront the future of America and Europe. We need to expand the debate on contraception beyond the religious freedom issue, and talk about the type of societies that America and Europe will be, 50 years from today. All those freepers who are parents and grandparents of young children, need to talk about the world that those children will inherit.

1 posted on 03/10/2012 8:26:39 AM PST by pinochet
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To: pinochet

How do you figure they’re cosmetics?


2 posted on 03/10/2012 8:32:31 AM PST by sthguard (The DNC theme song: "All You Need is Guv")
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Those people still seem crazy to me.

And, yes!, the libs DO consider pregnancy a disease.

Actually, THEY are the disease and the only cure is an informed electorate. I don't see that in the offing any time soon. Too many sheeple cannot distinguish between comments like Rush's--he gave Ms. Fluke's own words as definition for her being a slut and prostitute. Then he apologized. The left wants to equate that with Louis C.K.'s and Bill Maher's horrible comments about Sarah Palin and her children. We are still waiting for an apology from C.K. and Maher, although I just discount them as human beings.

At the moment Mahrer is being sued by an ex for abuse. Hope he gets soaked.

vaudine

3 posted on 03/10/2012 8:35:51 AM PST by vaudine
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The Loony Feminists are the real issue. Sombody failed to get those ol'gals married off early and see what happens.

Sebelius is a particularly dreadful figure ~ driven mad by her inability to bear children she's intent on killing everybody she can.

4 posted on 03/10/2012 8:36:04 AM PST by muawiyah
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At a time when the native-born populations of North America and Europe are declining, should Western governments be giving out free contraceptives? Where are we going to get the taxpayers of the future, to pay the retirement benefits of Americans and Europeans? Should the taxpayers of the future come entirely from the third world?

No one is forcing people to take BC. People no longer want a bunch of kids.

5 posted on 03/10/2012 8:36:29 AM PST by trailhkr1
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Well, the Commie-Fudge-Packer-in-Chief thinks it’s a punishment.


6 posted on 03/10/2012 8:36:53 AM PST by gigster (Cogito, Ergo, Ronaldus Magnus Conservatus)
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To: pinochet

Bump for later.


8 posted on 03/10/2012 8:38:46 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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If you are a moonbat, being female is the genetic disease.

All the efforts are to eliminate the condition of female.

The only solution is to eradicate the moonbats.


9 posted on 03/10/2012 8:39:47 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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If you are a moonbat, being female is the genetic disease.

All the efforts are to eliminate the condition of female.

The only solution is to eradicate the moonbats.


10 posted on 03/10/2012 8:39:58 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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We need to expand the debate on contraception beyond the religious freedom issue, and talk about the type of societies that America and Europe will be..

No, we don't - not in the context of a political campaign anyway. That is precisely one of the things that would make Santorum such a horrific general election nominee. Rick WANTS to talk about just that, and Obama would like nothing better than to talk about settled social issues such as contraception rather than his crappy stewardship of the economy.

For the purposes of winning elections, the debate should be confined to ONLY the outrageous scope of Obamacare and religious freedom issues.

Culturally, outside of the realm of political campaigns, there is a good argument to be made that shrinking Westernized society birthrates is perhaps a sign of decline. Saying that, I don't (nor do the vast majority of people) oppose contraception - and they aren't going to vote for someone babbling about that. Additionally, a lot of this is just a hallmark of a rich society. Japan has the same problem with declining birthrates. Wealthy societies tend to offer people far more choices in life and the result seems to be folks end up having fewer babies.

14 posted on 03/10/2012 8:44:42 AM PST by Longbow1969
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Premise: Contraception [abortion] concerns women`s health.
A. Fact: Woman`s health concerns her bodily organs and tissues.
B. FACT: A fetus is not an organ.
C. Fact: Fetus has its own organs
D. FACT: Every woman was a fetus.
E. Every woman has her own set of organs.
F. FACT:WOMAN CANNOT HAVE 2 SETS OF EVERY ORGAN.
Ergo woman`s health has nothing to do with fetus inside.
D. Conclusion. Fetus health is concerned with fetus organs and tissues, not mother`s organs and tissues.
H. Ergo Premise A. is False.

Second Argument:
A. Premise: Contraception [abortion] concerns women`s health.
Contraception mean`s [lit.] `against conception.`
But conception is the result of a MALE AND FEMALE COPULATING.
ERGO CONTRACEPTION ALSO INFERS A MAN`S HEALTH TOO.
WHY? DURING CONCEPTION ACT THE WOMAN COULD HAVE GIVEN HIM HERPES,
Therefore the argument`s premise is fallacious and and an omissive contradiction in terms.

Third Argument:
A. Premise: Contraception [abortion] concerns women`s health.
Contraception mean`s [lit.] `against conception.`
[definition of terms:
Definition of CONTRACEPTION
``: deliberate prevention of conception or impregnation`` [Merriam-Webster Dictionary]
B, Contraception therefore must occur before or during the act of impregnation before the egg is fertilized [biology 101].
C. But abortion occurs ONLY AFTER CONCEPTION.
Abortion does not fit the definition above of contraception.
D Ergo abortion is NOT CONTRACEPTION
E. Ergo the Premise A. is false.


18 posted on 03/10/2012 9:04:23 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (Obummer`s mother should have had `HHS mandated contraception`?????? ?? Who knew?)
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For a very tiny number of women "the pill" is healthcare because they have hormone irregularities. For the vast majority of women, they are merely a lifestyle item.

I heard some female activist on Hannity trying to attack Catholic institutions' position in this debate by comparing contraception to Viagra. That one is restorative of normal function and the other contravenes normal function is beyond these activists capacity for intellectual honesty.

As it is, who is trying to argue in favor of free viagra? All we hear about are demands from women, women, women. Never mind that women are longer lived and more likely to seek out healthcare than men.

Never mind contraceptives of many forms are available inexpensively everywhere and no one including Santorum is trying to ban then--something the Supreme Court ruled decades ago cannot be done at the state level.

This is the most dishonest "national debate" we've had in a long time because one side is allowed to frame not only their arguments but their straw man version of the opposition.

The only genuine breaking through I've seen was Newt's appearance on last Sunday's shows. The other candidates still routinely accept the media's premises and try to argue within the box they're placed.

21 posted on 03/10/2012 9:58:09 AM PST by newzjunkey (Santorum: 18-point loss, voted for Sotomayor, proposed $550M on top of $900M Amtrak budget...)
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To: pinochet
(first, sorry for the day late comment & now to your thread)

I am sick and tired of hearing contraceptives being described as a form of health care. In my opinion, contraceptives are a form of cosmetic product
Unfortunately, 'contraceptives', specifically 'The Pill' is part of 'Health Care'. Like many medications developed primarily to treat one thing Doctors and researchers have found many medications also treat another completely different 'health issue'.

'The Pill' being one of those 'medications'. Besides it being a contraceptive it is also prescribed to regulate a woman's menstrual cycle, and it works.

I take a medicine that was develped to stop epileptic seizures but I don't have seizures or epilepsy. It was found that my medication also treats Nerve Pain, which I DO have. I's from scar tissue that grew on a disc after a Laminectomy years ago and now hits a nerve (called Spinal Stenosis) . The pain is like Sciatica Pain x104, but this medicine eases it considerably (though I still need pain meds too).

And that's why Mzzz Fluke takes the Pill, to 'regulate her cycle', because she'll never get pregnant as she (cough 'allegedly') 'bats for the other team' ;-). That being said nobody should be mandated to provide it for her, especially when it conflicts with the First Amendment.

23 posted on 03/11/2012 5:10:32 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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