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Pixels Don't Lie
March 4, 2012 | Linda Jordan

Posted on 03/04/2012 11:50:20 AM PST by ethical

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To: Conscience of a Conservative
Jeesh. Computer generated and computer viewing are not the same. How far you guys will go to avoid the truth. Review all the Hawaii Department of Health descriptions of exactly what a computer generated ‘Certificate of Live Birth’ is. You can also read White House General Counsel Bob Bauer's description of what a computer generated birth certificate from Hawaii is. It is an abstract of an original birth certificate created in a computer and then printed out from the computer.
You do not need to get a ‘waiver’ from Hawaii in order to get a computer generated birth certificate. Obama says he asked for a ‘waiver’ to get a photocopy of his original birth certificate. Hawaii granted his request and say they gave him photocopies. What you see on the White House website is not a scanned photocopy. It's very simple. The minutia of all the different ways the document was forged are secondary.
121 posted on 03/06/2012 5:49:14 AM PST by ethical
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To: MrShoop

And don’t forget the third version of the document that the White House showed. They let the pretty little news lady actually touch it and take photographs of it with her cell phone. They really do have the photocopy of the original but it was too hard to scan it in to the computer to post it so they just had someone make a “stand in” version of it. But they really do have it, Guthrie says so. Yeah...that’s the ticket.


122 posted on 03/06/2012 5:58:19 AM PST by ethical
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Hey moron, the cut and paste document came from the white house.

You can stick your head back up your colon now.

123 posted on 03/06/2012 8:12:20 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: ethical
Jeesh. Computer generated and computer viewing are not the same. How far you guys will go to avoid the truth. Review all the Hawaii Department of Health descriptions of exactly what a computer generated ‘Certificate of Live Birth’ is. You can also read White House General Counsel Bob Bauer's description of what a computer generated birth certificate from Hawaii is. It is an abstract of an original birth certificate created in a computer and then printed out from the computer.

You do not need to get a ‘waiver’ from Hawaii in order to get a computer generated birth certificate. Obama says he asked for a ‘waiver’ to get a photocopy of his original birth certificate. Hawaii granted his request and say they gave him photocopies. What you see on the White House website is not a scanned photocopy. It's very simple. The minutia of all the different ways the document was forged are secondary.

The only evidence you have cited for your argument that the document was "computer generated" is the pixellation and . I'm pointing out that there is another version of the document, also released on the same day, that does not have the inconsistent pixellation and layering:

If, as you assert, Dunham's signature was computer-generated (as opposed to being an actual ink-pen signature), how could there be a version of the document that has an ink-pen signature for Dunham?

124 posted on 03/06/2012 8:16:21 AM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: PA-RIVER
Hey moron, the cut and paste document came from the white house.

How could I possibly counter such a succinct and compelling presentation of evidence? ...or recover from the complete destruction of my self-esteem?

125 posted on 03/06/2012 10:32:43 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: MrShoop

Even the BC you post is clearly a fraud, and of course could have easily been printed and scanned to wash the digital data away. Omg, of course a “non-pdf” version won’t have layers, it’s just a copy of the pdf. You must think I’m a moron to consider your drivel anything but the ravings of a madman.


126 posted on 03/06/2012 11:13:04 AM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
The truth is usually succinct and compelling.

Bull shit stories require sophistries, like there are three versions of one document, one of them is real blah blah blah ..... why would our president commit a crime .... blah blah blah ...the most powerful man could hire a better forger ... blah blah blah....

Repeat after me “The president has a forged BC.”

Pretty simple. We all downloaded it from the white house and its a cut and paste pile of crap.

127 posted on 03/06/2012 11:20:05 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: HMS Surprise
The BC image I posted isn't a copy of the PDF because it has MORE detail. not less. You can't take the blocky OCR text from the PDF and generate that image.

I don't think you are moron, but I question your inability to address specific questions. You say the non-PDF BC image is clearly a fraud. Why? What do you see in it that is any indication of a forgery?

128 posted on 03/06/2012 2:27:05 PM PST by Wayne07
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To: ethical
You said: OCR also does not turn an ink signature in to a non-ink signature.

I asked you why you think it is a non ink signature, and you have dodged answering. Why do you make that claim?

129 posted on 03/06/2012 2:30:48 PM PST by Wayne07
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To: MrShoop

The “D” in “Dunham” is clearly written by pen, the rest clearly not.


130 posted on 03/06/2012 3:30:08 PM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: HMS Surprise
The “D” in “Dunham” is clearly written by pen, the rest clearly not.
This is the crux of the issue, and why I find the birther nonsense so frustrating. The pixelation of the "unham" is the artifacting I've been trying to explain when you generate the PDF. The computer is trying to separate the text from the background so it is easier to read. It then applies a sharpening filter, which makes the edges blocky.

Even if you are a scanning denier, then there is another piece of evidence that it refutes you. The AP image. You can see the signature is smooth - nothing to indicate it wasn't originally in ink.

Last, Even if you deny scanning technology, and ignore the AP image, it still doesn't make sense that the blocky text is a forgery - why would you do it that way? Why would they fake the "unham" but not the D? Why would you forge in blocky letters?

131 posted on 03/06/2012 4:46:35 PM PST by Wayne07
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To: HMS Surprise; ethical
Here is one example of how the left associates birthers with the tea party. Their goal is to make the tea party look extreme and out of touch in order to turn off moderate voters. This image is from the obama birth cert wiki page/


132 posted on 03/06/2012 4:52:48 PM PST by Wayne07
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To: HMS Surprise; ethical
Here is one example of how the left associates birthers with the tea party. Their goal is to make the tea party look extreme and out of touch in order to turn off moderate voters. This image is from the obama birth cert wiki page/


133 posted on 03/06/2012 4:52:48 PM PST by Wayne07
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To: MrShoop

OMG you’re beyond the beyonds. It’s “obvious” to me that either she wrote the D, and then switched to a sharpie, or something is rotten in Kenya. Your attempts to convince yourself of Obama’s purity is an epic fail.


134 posted on 03/06/2012 5:57:22 PM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: MrShoop

Here’s how we know that you are probably the same guy who created the doc in the first place: Shakespeare: Methinks he doth protest too much.” Who would go to all of this trouble to prove something that they can’t possible establish with any high degree of certainty? I would understand if you posted once, maybe twice, just to say hey, you looked at it, and it looks good. But what you are doing is over the top, ergo suspect. You car ten times more about this than I do, and I’m the conspiracy nut. The gears are stripping and your transmission is leaking... overdrive doesn’t work when you’re climbing a 9% grade.


135 posted on 03/06/2012 6:07:17 PM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: HMS Surprise

Really? You, who signed up on Feb 9, 2011? I’ve been here since 2003. I’ll give you a better theory. You work for the Obama campaign, and you are paid to come to forums and make republicans look stupid by posting supporting inane conspiracy theories.


136 posted on 03/06/2012 6:35:01 PM PST by Wayne07
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To: MrShoop

I love the detective work. Yeah, I became a patriot a year ago. Or, maybe I just joined FR and posted some stuff. Obama is a Constitutional Scholar. Does that mean he loves the Constitution? Or does it mean that people around him knew that the imprimatur of such a title imbued a candidate with teflon, and allowed him or her to advance an even more radical agenda than would otherwise be possible. Here’s a perfect theory: MrShoop is wrong.


137 posted on 03/06/2012 6:45:37 PM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: MrShoop

Mike Zullo, lead investigator, Cold Case Posse:

“He said some people have stated OCR (optical character recognition) software was used in an attempt to explain away the anomalies in Obama’s birth certificate. But the document failed all three parts of the test that would demonstrate OCR was used. Zullo said they were able to determine “with 100 percent certainty it was not put through OCR.”

Other people claimed the anomalies were caused by “optimization.” However, the document failed the optimization test as well. “Optimization doesn’t explain a single anomaly in Obama’s birth certificate – not a single one,” said Zullo.

Continue reading on Examiner.com Cold Case Posse reveals Obama’s documents are forgeries - Phoenix Crime | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-phoenix/cold-case-posse-reveals-obama-s-documents-are-forgeries#ixzz1oOmVRPOq


138 posted on 03/06/2012 7:39:53 PM PST by ethical
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To: MrShoop

Deniers of forgery have a one track mind. Deny, deny, deny.


139 posted on 03/06/2012 9:26:34 PM PST by ethical
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To: Conscience of a Conservative; mojitojoe
I'm pointing out that there is another version of the document, also released on the same day, that does not have the inconsistent pixellation and layering:

It was a photograph. The document released by the White House was a proven forgery!

Here, go learn something: MCSO: Obama Eligibility Cold Case Investigation (Full Press Conference)
140 posted on 03/08/2012 2:49:36 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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