CALIFORNIA: Same-sex marriage poll finds majority approve

San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 2/29/12 | Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Political Writer

[SmithL]

Support for same-sex marriage in California has never been higher, with 59 percent of the state's voters backing the legalization of gay nuptials, according to a new Field Poll.

What's notable is that some of the more significant gains in support came from Catholics, Latinos and older voters - part of the core of support for voter-approved Proposition 8, the 2008 ballot measure that defined marriage as between a man and a woman.

Republicans and those who identify themselves as conservatives are the only demographic blocs that oppose allowing gays to marry, according to the survey of 1,003 registered voters released today. Overall, 34 percent of the respondents oppose same-sex marriage.

In a separate question, 51 percent of respondents said gays should be allowed to marry - up from 44 percent two years ago. The survey found that 29 percent support civil unions but not marriage and 15 percent favor no legal recognition. Five percent had no opinion.

"It's a wholesale change in public opinion," said Field Poll Director Mark DiCamillo, noting that Field has polled on same-sex marriage issues since 1977. "Right now, it is more of a political objection than anything else."

Wary of numbers

But the rise in support was so high in this poll - seven points since the last Field survey on the issue in 2010 - that even some supporters of same-sex marriage are wary.

A September survey of likely voters commissioned by Equality California, which has been at the forefront of the fight for same-sex marriage, also found that 51 percent of Californians support it.

[lentulusgracchus]

The problem (problem from our point of view anyway) is we have lost the battle for moral clarity.

No, it isn't. It's adverse possession of the media by committed liars and mountebanks, who know they're lying but know that they can't be made to care.

[lentulusgracchus]

Easy to come up with these results when your sample is loaded heavily with respondents from San Francisco.

The way to challenge the poll, is to challenge the homosexuals to put it on the ballot. Referendum. See if they can lie to enough people hard enough, to fool enough of them.

(Oh, and they'll still be wrong. Nothing changes that -- biology will not be flouted and mathematics still knows how to count -- dead bodies.)

[steve86]

What’s notable is that some of the more significant gains in support came from NON-PRACTICING Catholics...

Non-practicing and "NEW-ORDER" Catholics (Although the Magisterium hasn't changed -- just the novel interpretation of it by modernist priests and bishops).

[Elsie]

The homosexuals are genetically flawed and actually suffer from a disability.

No; they are not.

SINFULLY flawed - yes.

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Genesis 13:13

Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

 

Psalms 12:8      The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

      More?

Isaiah 3:9   The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b  Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

 

 

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

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2 Peter 2

 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 4.  For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,  putting them into gloomy dungeons  to be held for judgment;
 5.  if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
 6.  if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
 7.  and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
 8.  (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
 9.  if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
 10.  This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature  and despise authority.   Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
 11.  yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
 12.  But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
 13.  They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

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But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

 9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
     Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 

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If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...

[Elsie]

 

He ain't dead YET!!

1 Corinthians 6:11

And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 

 

[Elsie]

It gets better.

It gets better..

It gets better...

It gets better!

It gets better!!

It gets better!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bnev14XfUjY&feature=player_embedded

 

 

and then it gets worse...

 

 

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV)

⁹ Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God?

 Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men^{[a] 10} nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

[Antoninus]

They pulled this same kind of baloney right before Prop 8 passed and proved the polls were BS. Guess what? They were lying then. The lie is just getting bigger now.

[newzjunkey]

Easy to come up with these results when your sample is loaded heavily with respondents from San Francisco.

Look at the bar graphs: "Los Angeles County" - 59%, "Other Southern California" - 58%.

The real test of this "poll" is to put it on the ballot: a repeal and replacement of Prop 8. If the support to so overwhelming it would be a snap to gather signatures and get this on the ballot. Are they doing it? (crickets chirping)

[fwdude]

Don't be fooled. Even THEY don't believe their own polls because they refuse to put their own agenda up for a vote, and fight tooth and nail everywhere else against letting citizens voice their will.

GET THIS STRAIGHT: THIS IS SIMPLY A TACTIC INTENDED TO DEMORALIZE. DON'T FALL FOR IT.