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Law Enforcement Weighs In On Right To Resist Bill
theindychannel.com ^ | February 23, 2012 | Jack Rinehart

Posted on 02/24/2012 6:46:48 AM PST by Abathar

INDIANAPOLIS -- A bill that would allow property owners to use deadly force to resist police is facing increasing resistance of its own.

The proposed legislation would provide property owners the right to use deadly force to stop an illegal entry by law enforcement officers.

Current Indiana law gives homeowners the right to use whatever force they deem necessary to defend themselves and their property against unlawful entry. However, Senate Bill No. 1 is aimed directly at the police and would give property owners the same authority to use deadly force against officers perceived to have made unlawful entry.

The Marion County Prosecutor's Office opposes that bill, RTV6's Jack Rinehart reported.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Indiana
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To: muawiyah
But that is not what she said and is not how it went down. If the man was a threat then the police should have detained him in the parking lot where they first found him, they did not.

Your assertion that he had gone violent is incorrect. He threw a phone against a wall. Tell the facts, so that people can make informed decisions. The State Supreme Court Decision was crap and they should have just upheld the Appeals Court ruling which was for a new trial with the defense’s tendered jury instruction.

61 posted on 02/24/2012 12:03:38 PM PST by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83
The 911 call is the source for "he's breaking my stuff" ~ that's not a phone book tossing ~ but if you have a call like that and you show up and the dude tosses a phone book that certainly validates the phoned in complaint.

People don't have all day to stand there and debate the who struck john's part when john is still tossing stuff.

If you don't want these things to happen you need to prevent your women from calling the cops ~ this ain't Saudi Arabia!

62 posted on 02/24/2012 12:08:22 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: discostu
If cops would stop doing no knock raids on the wrong address then this wouldn’t be an issue.

Indeed, if they could pretend to be civilized long enough to knock on the door and serve the warrant as any decent person would expect, they'd find a lot more people supporting them than they presently do.

63 posted on 02/24/2012 12:18:32 PM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: muawiyah
that's not a phone book tossing is not what I said, I said he threw a phone. If you want to misquote go right ahead but do not expect me to believe it.

From the Court record Mary tried to call her sister but Barnes grabbed the phone from her hand and threw it against the wall. Mary called 911 from her cell phone and informed the dispatcher that Barnes was throwing things around the apartment but that he had not struck her.

If you don't want these things to happen you need to prevent your women from calling the cops ~ this ain't Saudi Arabia!

If you were not so full of it you would debate based upon facts and the discussion at hand and not bring in bs.

64 posted on 02/24/2012 12:30:05 PM PST by Ratman83
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To: Abathar

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/25/police-officer-pleads-guilty-to-robbing-drug-dealers/

Two big problems with letting someone who yells “Police” break into your home with guns.

#1) they might be criminals not the Police, and they are there to victimize you.

#2) as the story above shows, they might criminals AND the Police, and they are there to victimize you.


65 posted on 02/24/2012 12:33:50 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Ratman83
Picky picky. No, you're grasping at straws. All that is relevant is that she called the cops.

Only Islamofascist fanatics believe the word of a woman is worth half that of a man, so please don't get into that stuff. She called and her word is as good as her ex-husbands.

66 posted on 02/24/2012 1:23:38 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Abathar

I completely support the Senate’s version of this bill, and think the House should pass it as is. Afterwards, the Supreme court judges should be removed from office, that made this idiotic decision.


67 posted on 02/24/2012 11:17:44 PM PST by jkeith3213
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To: muawiyah

BS


68 posted on 02/27/2012 5:57:21 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83

Sorry for ya’ but that’s the way it is. Women got rights ~


69 posted on 02/27/2012 10:47:34 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: jkeith3213; Abathar

Not sure why you want to wait to remove the justices. They should be REMOVED NOW ~


70 posted on 02/27/2012 10:49:13 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: smokingfrog

If they are on your porch, don’t shoot, if they kick down your door without a warrent, I’d shoot. It could be anyone in a rented uniform..especially since alot of swat have their faces covered so you cannot recognize them, just like a burglar. They don’t want to be identified...that is wrong also...


71 posted on 02/27/2012 10:59:48 AM PST by goat granny
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To: muawiyah

Wow, you just keep proving your ignorance of this case. She did not have her rights violated, his rights were violated.


72 posted on 02/27/2012 11:42:29 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83
He was moving out. She was staying there. Seems to me pretty clear whose house it was.

He was violating her rights. She called the cops. He became belligerent.

He should not have interfered in the process.

73 posted on 02/27/2012 2:37:29 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Ratman83
I have followed this case since DAY 1.

You are a "newbie".

74 posted on 02/27/2012 2:38:50 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Truth29
Well, if existing Indiana law allows the homeowner to use deadly force against an illegal entry, why would someone under the new law have to say they didn't know it was the police? It sounds like the key factor is if it is an illegal entry.

Nope. The IN Supreme court made it clear that the State of IN no longer recognizes the right to resist UNLAWFUL entry by the police. (I explain in detail here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2761352/posts )

75 posted on 02/27/2012 4:23:06 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Leaning Right
There's a big difference between a felon entering your house unlawfully, and a cop doing the same.

Yes, one is acting unlawfully, and the other is acting... unlawfully.

76 posted on 02/27/2012 4:27:29 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: muawiyah
You are a "newbie".

Wow, so mature.

As far as your ascertain that he violated her rights show me where he did this, he was not charged with it nor has he been sued over it. Once again you are blowing smoke.

He was moving out.

Key word in that sentence “was”, not had.

77 posted on 02/29/2012 4:39:51 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83
His stuff was in his truck in front of the apartment building. Guy was GONE ~ new residence elsewhere.

Minute he stepped out of there to load his vehicle she was the sole resident (although a landlord might have made a claim on him for damages and such, but you could do that to any casual visitor as well).

The real dispute here was domestic in nature ~ but she called the cops ~ as was her right, and he decided he had to interfere in the process.

78 posted on 02/29/2012 5:10:58 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Ratman83
BTW, your argument is right out of Sharia Law ~ I'm pointing to the notion you have that if someone hasn't been sued he didn't cause damage or violate rights.

Does not compute in American law.

79 posted on 02/29/2012 5:13:30 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
your argument is right out of Sharia Law BS neverything I have said is US based.

You just can not understand that the police and the Indiana Supreme Court got the decision wrong. Even the court said he was moving out, not that he had moced out.

American law supports my view point. See

United States v. Di Re, 332 U.S. 581, 594 (1948)

I'm pointing to the notion you have that if someone hasn't been sued he didn't cause damage or violate rights.

Nothing in the record shows you point of view. How did he violate her rights?

80 posted on 02/29/2012 5:39:20 AM PST by Ratman83
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