Posted on 02/21/2012 8:59:54 AM PST by apillar
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I just can’t help myself. Have to do it again fellow freepers..........another day watching ................
“BROTHER LOVE’S TRAVELING SALVATION SHOW”
Where in the founding documents and discourse do we find this sort of useless banter?"
Oh really now? You obviously know nothing about early American history and the Founders' opinions regarding the role of religion in public life. Try these on for starters:
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams
"Virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government." - George Washington
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Benjamin Franklin
"Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom. No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles." - Patrick Henry
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our constitution as a whale goes through a net." - John Adams
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles." - George Washington
So..... You were saying?
Why on earth would you assume such a stupid thing. Just because I made a political speculation? You need to get your head on straight.
Catholicus bumpus ad summum
Sorry I’m not voting for an Exorcist in Chief....
If this is the best they have, than I’m not too worried. Oooh, he said that Satan was being bad. Wow! What a surprise. It may seem kooky to those that don’t believe Satan is real though. Oh well, that’s their problem.
Santorum's comments were appropriate for that time and for that location.
It's been almost 15 years since I've consideredd Matt Fudge a serious news source.
It’s what we need!
OK, Muhammad, the Islamic prophet, claimed to be attacked by Satan three times on his way to Mecca. He threw stones at Satan. Muslims on the pilgrimage to Mecca (hajj) stop at three locations on the way to throw stones at Satan where the prophet was said to have done so.
Therefore if a Christian is a moron or worthy of ridicule for believing in Satan then, so also would be a certain prophet and his followers....
Where exactly is CAIR?
So mattie drudge is pro-satan?
Rick was right and I respect him for his comment. He is Consevatisms last chance in 2012.
http://www.theignorantfishermen.com/2012/02/santorums-satan-warning-is-dead-on.html
I assume "stupid" things when I hear stupid things.
And thanks for the advice. Don't be offended by the ease I find in ignoring it, though.
The thingy about God wiping out a whole city that was celebrating gay sex because it is evil, is not real popular around Matt and his pals.
Evil does not exist and God did not mean it. /s/
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Benjamin Franklin
I don't believe that many thinking people, whether religious or not, would disagree with the statements that you cite above that virtue/morality is a necessary underpinning of popular government. However the contention that all of the founding fathers believed that a particular and rather narrowly defined religious belief is essential in order to assure that morality exists among the populace is quite another issue. On the contrary many, if not most, showed an acute awareness of a dark side to much religious orthodoxy and viewed it with some very healthy skepticism.
Consider just a few of many statements to that effect: "Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst." -Thomas Paine
“Every national church or religion has established itself by pretending some special mission from God - as if the way to God was not open to every man alike” - Thomas Paine
“Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity”- Thomas Paine
"I cannot conceive otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or requires no worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely above it." Benjamin Franklin - "Articles of Belief and Acts of Religion", 1728 .
"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
So..... You were saying?
“I believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow creatures happy. I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.” -Thomas Paine
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