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The Left's Hatred of Religion
The American Thinker ^ | February 19, 2012 | T.R. Clancy

Posted on 02/19/2012 1:54:30 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

...JoanWalsh at Salon writes that she was raised Catholic, but has since turned into "a secularfeministliberaldemocrat." Last Friday evening, when Obama's supporters were still clinging to their belief that his announcement of a compromise would steal all the wind out of the bishops' sails, she asked this:

Why did we spend 10 days listening to prominent Catholics, including even some liberals and Democrats, insist that the White House had overreached and trampled on "religious freedom" - in this case, the "freedom" of the Catholic hierarchy to impose rules that even most Catholics don't live by? ("Catholic tribalism and the contraceptive flap").

Ms.Walsh can't imagine that Catholic rules being defined and preached by Catholic pastors without government interference is a matter of religious liberty, whether individual Catholics choose to obey those rules or not.

.........The progressive conceit is that human history is a continuum, clawing on vestigial fins inexorably away from abject ignorance and superstition at one end toward a science-based utopia at the other. Europe's atheists traced the pathology of religion to the neurotic imaginations of terrorized savages, and the result is that modern intellectuals routinely assign religious believers to the Neanderthal-Superstitious segment of human evolution. Today's American Smart Set expect the ultimate -- no, make that the imminent -- extinction of religion with far more certainty than they do all that cynical hooey about anthropogenic planetary destruction. But rather than go extinct, we survive, an anomaly, taking up space right there amongst all the iPhones, mice-cloning labs, and transgendered celebrities, the milestones of how far we've come.

Is it any wonder that when the Catholic bishops' balked at the HHS mandate, frustrated liberals had outbursts like this one from Rep.DianaDeGette,D-Colorado: "I woke up this morning in the 21st century, not in the Middle Ages." ("Contraception controversy consumes D.C., campaign").........

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: bhohealthcare; catholicvote; conscienceclause; conservatism; faith; liberty; religion; religiousleft
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1 posted on 02/19/2012 1:54:35 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Save for later reading


2 posted on 02/19/2012 2:08:39 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Examine the rationalizations of commentators defending the Obama faux-compromise on the HHS mandate and you'll see what I mean.

There's the problem right there. Where does a government bureaucracy HHS get off "mandating" how a private enterprise conducts its business?

THAT should generate as much outrage as trampling on religious freedom.

Where are our elected Republican representatives on this issue? They don't even seem to care that they've been rendered irrelevant.

3 posted on 02/19/2012 2:14:04 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
From the article:

"Questioning authority is fine in its place. But questioning the administration of Barack Obama is not its place."
That's really the bottom line on everything about the crowd that backs Barry. They claim the right to regulate and carefully meter out everything associated with the Bill of Rights whether it's First Amendment free speech that allows people to openly defy the King Barry crowd and the free exercise of religion, the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms, and even the right to be secure in your person an property. The only totally sacrosanct right is the right to privacy they discovered in order to make child sacrifice to the gods of Secular Humanism legal.

Not to worry, though, once they manage to murder the "inferior races" out of existence they'll "discover" that abortion is just awful and immediately start imprisoning and destroying those now working so hard to help purify the race on their behalf.

JMHO

4 posted on 02/19/2012 2:26:56 AM PST by Rashputin
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Not to worry, though, once they manage to murder the "inferior races" out of existence they'll "discover" that abortion is just awful and immediately start imprisoning and destroying those now working so hard to help purify the race on their behalf.

Nah. They hate themselves as much as those "inferior" to them.

5 posted on 02/19/2012 2:37:53 AM PST by whershey
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
- in this case, the "freedom" of the Catholic hierarchy to impose rules that even most Catholics don't live by? ("Catholic tribalism and the contraceptive flap").

Ms.Walsh can't imagine that Catholic rules being defined and preached by Catholic pastors without government interference is a matter of religious liberty, whether individual Catholics choose to obey those rules or not.

"For none is without sin..."

We also have a rule against cussing (in particular, taking the Lord's Name in vain). That doesn't stop people from breaking that one, either.

Still, that doesn't negate the religion, nor the right to believe and follow those beliefs as best we can.

Suppose we applied the logic to secular law. Obviously, people murder and steal. Does that mean we don't have to pay attention to the laws against murdering and stealing?

Wouldn't work out very well, would it?

I may not be perfect, but I'll stand with the Church.

6 posted on 02/19/2012 2:44:04 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Rashputin; Texas Eagle

It all ties back into the Left’s believe that they are smarter than us hoodwinked and clinging masses with thoughts that we can handle freedom (have innate worth). They hate that pesky Constitution with all that “religious stuff” that must be overcome and rooted out for true “progress” and “order” to happen (and why they don’t see people as individuals but rather identify them as groups).

The Left is convinced they know best. Radicals in colleges and universities have been feeding students this anti-American, anti-Christian — science knows best — ideology for decades.

The Left has infiltrated the churches (government charity and the green revolution preached from the pulpit) - leaving our government, our schools and our churches all on the same socialist path.

It is the conceit and arrogance of liberals that feeds their contempt for conservatives and what (in their way of thinking) gives them license to lie and manipulate us (since they are enlightened through science and therefore it is for the good of all humanity).


7 posted on 02/19/2012 2:50:39 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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"America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within."
- Josef Stalin
8 posted on 02/19/2012 2:53:33 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Smokin' Joe

The Ten Commandments are sound (the ones the Feds want out of sight from the public).


9 posted on 02/19/2012 2:54:01 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
[whether individual Catholics choose to obey those rules or not.]
 
Having the FREEDOM to make that choice is rather uniquely American.   
 
Because....

 


 
The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom

Thomas Jefferson, 1786


Well aware that Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burdens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion, who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do; that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time; that to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves, is sinful and tyrannical; that even the forcing him to support this or that teacher of his own religious persuasion, is depriving him of the comfortable liberty of giving his contributions to the particular pastor whose morals he would make his pattern, and whose powers he feels most persuasive to righteousness, and is withdrawing from the ministry those temporal rewards, which proceeding from an approbation of their personal conduct, are an additional incitement to earnest and unremitting labors for the instruction of mankind; that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, more than our opinions in physics or geometry; that, therefore, the proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence by laying upon him an incapacity of being called to the offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opinion, is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages to which in common with his fellow citizens he has a natural right; that it tends also to corrupt the principles of that very religion it is meant to encourage, by bribing, with a monopoly of worldly honors and emoluments, those who will externally profess and conform to it; that though indeed these are criminal who do not withstand such temptation, yet neither are those innocent who lay the bait in their way; that to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the field of opinion and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles, on the supposition of their ill tendency, is a dangerous fallacy, which at once destroys all religious liberty, because he being of course judge of that tendency, will make his opinions the rule of judgment, and approve or condemn the sentiments of others only as they shall square with or differ from his own; that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them.

Be it therefore enacted by the General Assembly, That no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burdened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in nowise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.

And though we well know this Assembly, elected by the people for the ordinary purposes of legislation only, have no powers equal to our own and that therefore to declare this act irrevocable would be of no effect in law, yet we are free to declare, and do declare, that the rights hereby asserted are of the natural rights of mankind, and that if any act shall be hereafter passed to repeal the present or to narrow its operation, such act will be an infringement of natural right. . "

 
"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"
--The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786
 
 
 
 

10 posted on 02/19/2012 2:55:07 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Texas Eagle
"America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within." - Josef Stalin

Wow. Look what has been targeted: patriotism, morality and spiritual life.

11 posted on 02/19/2012 2:56:13 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: LomanBill

An aside: Too bad the Virginia GOP decided to short-circuit their citizens’ right to vote for their candidate in the 2012 Primary!


12 posted on 02/19/2012 2:58:45 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
[I loved the fact that students at Catholic universities held a press conference Thursday to support the president, and that organizations like Catholic Democrats and Catholics for Choice were active and vocal in standing up to their own bishops.]
 
 
That's just the vestigial remnant of the Roman state-established cult of religionist eunuchs showing its true Collectivist plumage.
 
Roman Catholicism has ALWAYS been about tyranny via governance through state-established religious mandate... EXCEPT in America - where state establishments of religious are expressly forbidden by the 1st amendment.
 

13 posted on 02/19/2012 3:06:20 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
And as chuffed as Ms. Walsh is about Catholic students standing up to their own bishops, you can bet she doesn't love it at all when America's Catholic bishops stand up to their own president. Questioning authority is fine in its place. But questioning the administration of Barack Obama is not its place.

Heh, heh. Ain't that the truth.

14 posted on 02/19/2012 3:08:17 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

[An aside: Too bad the Virginia GOP decided to short-circuit their citizens’ right to vote for their candidate in the 2012 Primary!]

Well GeeOpie, that’s what happens when Individuals neglect their responsibilities and allow collectivist sheeple herders/fleecers to rule over them, again.


15 posted on 02/19/2012 3:14:56 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: LomanBill

>>EXCEPT in America - where state establishments of religious are expressly forbidden by the 1st amendment.

EXCEPT in America - where state establishments of religioN are expressly forbidden by the 1st amendment.


16 posted on 02/19/2012 3:19:50 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Rashputin

Not to worry, though, once they manage to murder the “inferior races” out of existence they’ll “discover” that abortion is just awful and immediately start imprisoning and destroying those now working so hard to help purify the race on their behalf.

Right!

Like a bunch of selfish kids, all the liberals can think of is Gimme, gimme.

Thirty years or more ago, the libs were bragging about not having children and saying conservatives were having children as a matter of conceit because the conservatives wanted replicas of themselves. Now, the libs are complaining because there aren’t enough workers to pay THEIR social security, They don’t learn. Christ said, “Go ye forward and produce.” Maybe, just maybe, God foresaw the need for the children to protect the parents.

Perhaps, but I don’t pretend to speak for God, there should be a law that says if you could have, but didn’t produce children because of your selfish life style, you can’t collect S.S.


17 posted on 02/19/2012 3:20:16 AM PST by kitkat (Obama, rope and chains)
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To: kitkat

:)


18 posted on 02/19/2012 3:24:43 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

After all the Murdering of Babies the Left is Miserable and Misery loves Company,so they want everyone else to Give up as they have on any Moral standards


19 posted on 02/19/2012 3:27:16 AM PST by ballplayer
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To: LomanBill

Nor the free exercise thereof.....


20 posted on 02/19/2012 3:51:27 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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