[Cincinatus' Wife]

Great piece with links [worth a full read]

[dragonblustar]

Save for later reading

[Texas Eagle]

Examine the rationalizations of commentators defending the Obama faux-compromise on the HHS mandate and you'll see what I mean.

There's the problem right there. Where does a government bureaucracy HHS get off "mandating" how a private enterprise conducts its business?

THAT should generate as much outrage as trampling on religious freedom.

Where are our elected Republican representatives on this issue? They don't even seem to care that they've been rendered irrelevant.

[Rashputin]

From the article:

"Questioning authority is fine in its place. But questioning the administration of Barack Obama is not its place."

That's really the bottom line on everything about the crowd that backs Barry. They claim the right to regulate and carefully meter out everything associated with the Bill of Rights whether it's First Amendment free speech that allows people to openly defy the King Barry crowd and the free exercise of religion, the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms, and even the right to be secure in your person an property. The only totally sacrosanct right is the right to privacy they discovered in order to make child sacrifice to the gods of Secular Humanism legal.

Not to worry, though, once they manage to murder the "inferior races" out of existence they'll "discover" that abortion is just awful and immediately start imprisoning and destroying those now working so hard to help purify the race on their behalf.

JMHO

[Smokin' Joe]

- in this case, the "freedom" of the Catholic hierarchy to impose rules that even most Catholics don't live by? ("Catholic tribalism and the contraceptive flap").

Ms.Walsh can't imagine that Catholic rules being defined and preached by Catholic pastors without government interference is a matter of religious liberty, whether individual Catholics choose to obey those rules or not.

"For none is without sin..."

We also have a rule against cussing (in particular, taking the Lord's Name in vain). That doesn't stop people from breaking that one, either.

Still, that doesn't negate the religion, nor the right to believe and follow those beliefs as best we can.

Suppose we applied the logic to secular law. Obviously, people murder and steal. Does that mean we don't have to pay attention to the laws against murdering and stealing?

Wouldn't work out very well, would it?

I may not be perfect, but I'll stand with the Church.

[Texas Eagle]

"America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within."
- Josef Stalin

[LomanBill]

[whether individual Catholics choose to obey those rules or not.]
 

Having the FREEDOM to make that choice is rather uniquely American.   

 

Because....

 

  The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom

Thomas Jefferson, 1786

Well aware that Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burdens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion, who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do; that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time; that to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves, is sinful and tyrannical; that even the forcing him to support this or that teacher of his own religious persuasion, is depriving him of the comfortable liberty of giving his contributions to the particular pastor whose morals he would make his pattern, and whose powers he feels most persuasive to righteousness, and is withdrawing from the ministry those temporal rewards, which proceeding from an approbation of their personal conduct, are an additional incitement to earnest and unremitting labors for the instruction of mankind; that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, more than our opinions in physics or geometry; that, therefore, the proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence by laying upon him an incapacity of being called to the offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opinion, is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages to which in common with his fellow citizens he has a natural right; that it tends also to corrupt the principles of that very religion it is meant to encourage, by bribing, with a monopoly of worldly honors and emoluments, those who will externally profess and conform to it; that though indeed these are criminal who do not withstand such temptation, yet neither are those innocent who lay the bait in their way; that to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the field of opinion and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles, on the supposition of their ill tendency, is a dangerous fallacy, which at once destroys all religious liberty, because he being of course judge of that tendency, will make his opinions the rule of judgment, and approve or condemn the sentiments of others only as they shall square with or differ from his own; that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them.

Be it therefore enacted by the General Assembly, That no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burdened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in nowise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.

And though we well know this Assembly, elected by the people for the ordinary purposes of legislation only, have no powers equal to our own and that therefore to declare this act irrevocable would be of no effect in law, yet we are free to declare, and do declare, that the rights hereby asserted are of the natural rights of mankind, and that if any act shall be hereafter passed to repeal the present or to narrow its operation, such act will be an infringement of natural right. . "

 

"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"

--The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786

http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/vaact.html

 

 

 

 

[LomanBill]

[I loved the fact that students at Catholic universities held a press conference Thursday to support the president, and that organizations like Catholic Democrats and Catholics for Choice were active and vocal in standing up to their own bishops.]

 

 

That's just the vestigial remnant of the Roman state-established cult of religionist eunuchs showing its true Collectivist plumage.

 

Roman Catholicism has ALWAYS been about tyranny via governance through state-established religious mandate... EXCEPT in America - where state establishments of religious are expressly forbidden by the 1st amendment.

 

[Texas Eagle]

And as chuffed as Ms. Walsh is about Catholic students standing up to their own bishops, you can bet she doesn't love it at all when America's Catholic bishops stand up to their own president. Questioning authority is fine in its place. But questioning the administration of Barack Obama is not its place.

Heh, heh. Ain't that the truth.

[MrBambaLaMamba]

There is no God but Socialism and politicians and talking heads are its messengers.

[Ulysse]

“Hatred of Religion” ?

Not completly true . They like the fake “religion” of islmam which fits with socialisms as a totalitarian collectivism..

“Truth will make you free” ... That’s why they fear christianism and judeo-christianism.

And they try to use islam as a tool against christian societies and cultures

[central_va]

The left hates religion and God’s moral authority for the simple reason that religion usurps power and authority from government. It is a power play, nothing more. Religion takes care of social needs thru charity, not forced “contributions”. To the statist this is a bad thing....

[michigancatholic]

Don’t care what this bimbo does with herself, but she doesn’t have the right to take me with her.

[Reeses]

modern intellectuals routinely assign religious believers to the Neanderthal-Superstitious segment of human evolution.

The Neanderthals were not religious, the Cro-Magnons were. The religious have a strong competitive advantage and were selected for.

Hate comes from envy and leftists are driven by envy. The left envies the competitive advantages of the religious. Essentially it is size envy: the religious have larger families, live in larger houses, drive larger cars, live on larger pieces of land, have larger pets, sometimes even own ponies and horses. Leftists also envy that the religious have competitive advantages in war, sports, and business. The religious in general live longer, have more successful marriages, and live happier lives. Any atheist can objectively measure this. The nature of envy is not to acquire the objects of their envy, but to destroy them. Leftists are evil.

[Texas Fossil]

“the Left’s hatred of religion”, except Islam.

That is the unholy marriage that is underway.

[rbg81]

The fact that “most Catholics don’t live by these rules” is a canard. The critical point is that the State mandating that someone go against their traditional religious beliefs simply to be a law-abiding citizen.

[Vigilanteman]

Why did we spend 10 days listening to prominent Catholics . . .

Well, here's just a few reasons which come immediately to mind:

1. Because if we force Catholic charities to pay for abortion pills today, we can force them to pay for abortions next or
   
2. force Evangelicals, Mormons and Catholics to pay for sex change operations or
   
3. vet all church leadership (regardless of denomination) for government approval to make sure religion stays out of politics . . . like they do in Communist China.

Of course, none of these examples (and hundreds more which they could spawn) bothers your average libtard in the slightest. Because if you can frame it as a women's right issue or (insert any other favored) group's right issue, then religion has no right to interfere in their demented mind.

Even though it makes about as much sense as saying my absolute right to sexual intercourse requires that you submit to rape whenever I want it.

[KingNo155]

Why have speed limits on our roads when so few realy obey them?

[Oratam]

They’ve cut themselves off from Grace. It’s the only explanation I can think of.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

They seem to like Islam.

[RoadTest]

When one leaves religion he or she comes under the illusion of having no religion. Wrong. That space God created for Himself inside us becomes a strong vacuum that sucks in whatever is handy. In many cases that’s Liberalism.Trouble is, liberalism is also a mental disorder - see Michael Savage’s book by that name.