Posted on 02/17/2012 4:43:39 AM PST by Kaslin
1) Gay marriage is incompatible with Christianity (and for that matter, Islam & Judaism). If someone asks you why you oppose gay marriage, the only thing you really have to say to explain it is, "I'm a Christian."
God doesn't condemn anyone for who he is; so if you're attracted to the same sex, that absolutely, unconditionally doesn't make you bad, evil or "un-Christian." On the other hand, let me note that I do consider hating, tormenting, or bullying people because of their sexual orientation to be distinctively "un-Christian" behavior. As Billy Graham has said, “God will not judge a Christian guilty for his or her involuntary feelings.” However, God has drawn a clear line in the sand when it comes to homosexual acts. If you're gay, you're not allowed to act on it. If that seems harsh or unfair to you, well, sorry, but you'll have to take it up with God. It's His rule.
"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination." -- Leviticus 18:22
The people of Sodom and Gomorrah could tell you how serious God is about that -- if there were any of them left. So as a Christian, you can no more condone gay marriage than you could give the thumbs up to prostitution or wife swapping. That means if you're a Christian standing in favor of gay marriage, then you're a Christian who's standing directly in opposition to the God whom you claim to worship.
2) Gay marriage will end up infringing on religious freedom. The moment gay marriage becomes the law of the land, all sorts of First Amendment freedoms involving the free exercise of people's religion will likely be infringed upon as a consequence. No pastor should be forced to marry a gay couple. No wedding photographer, cake maker, caterer, or wedding planner should be forced to be involved in these weddings. No church or any other location should be forced to be the site of a gay wedding. Children will be taught in schools that gay marriage is normal, legal, and moral -- and it directly contradicts the teachings of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. To create this special privilege for gay Americans would mean impinging on the First Amendment rights of more than 200 million Americans.
3) Civil unions could confer every "right" that marriage does. Gay marriage is not about "rights;" it's about special privileges. After all, every right conferred upon a couple via marriage could be just as easily conferred on a gay couple via a civil union, which is a compromise that could probably be had if gay activists wanted it. In fact, the biggest objection conservatives have had to civil unions is that there's a fear they'd be used as a stepping stone to gay marriage. So, let's be clear: there are actually no "rights" whatsoever at stake in the push for gay marriage.
Instead, what gay activists are looking for is a special privilege of the worst sort because it's as much about dragging everyone else down as it is about raising everyone up. To accommodate gay marriage, the whole meaning of marriage has to be warped and twisted. The religious content has to be taken out and marriage has to become just one more reason to file paperwork with the government.
So, this isn't really so much about marriage per se as it is an attempt to force society and religion to accept gay unions as every bit as normal and healthy as straight relationships, which will never truly happen. You might be able to intimidate some people into silence with political correctness, but the truth is still there and people know it, even if they don't want to be screamed at and accused of being bigots for pointing out the obvious.
4) Gay marriage may be where it starts, but it wouldn't be where it ends. Once the definition of marriage is arbitrarily transformed to make gay activists happy, there's no chance it's going to stop there. For example, you could make a much better case for polygamy than you can for gay marriage. It has a much more robust historical tradition, it's more consistent with religious values, it produces children -- there simply is no compelling, logical reason why gay marriage should become the law of the land without also granting polygamy the same legal status.
Furthermore, once that door is opened, where does it stop? How about brother and sister? Marrying the dead sound any better? How does man and dog strike you? Adults marrying children? How does marrying a tree or a clay urn hit you?
People get outraged by this sort of comparisons, but this isn't just speculation; these are unions that have occurred in other countries. So, if it has happened somewhere else, you can be sure some wacko will want to do it here, some lawyer will decide marrying your sister is a civil right, and some liberal judge will agree with him. Next thing you know, anyone who opposes it is accused of being George Wallace and trying to stop the progress of civil rights. Sound farfetched? Well, isn't that exactly what happened with gay marriage?
5) Marriage already has enough problems as it is without gay marriage. One of the weirdest arguments in favor of gay marriage goes like so: Marriage is already on the rocks. Look at all the people cheating, look at all the divorces; so why not gay marriage, too?
This is like arguing that someone has already accidentally eaten some rat poison; so why not give him some cyanide to go along with it? When someone's sick, you don't make him sicker, you heal him. If marriage has been tarnished in our society -- and it has -- we should be looking for ways to strengthen marriage, not weaken it.
Sure, if gay marriage were to become legal tomorrow, you wouldn't have legions of people who are already married running off to get divorced. But, gay marriage would further degrade the religious element of marriage, cut down on the "sacredness" of it, and make it less of a special event. That would cause people to put less value on marriage, make them less likely to get married in the first place, and make them more likely to get divorced. This leads to more children being born out of wedlock and kids from single parents are more likely to commit suicide, take drugs, go to jail, drop out of high school, etc., etc. in every category that matters than kids from two parent families. You can already see this starting to play out in Sweden, Norway, and Denmark and you'll see it happen here, too, if gay marriage becomes the law of the land.
Homosexuality is just having someone else help you masturbate. Homosexuals are the most self-absorbed, self-serving and self-centered people in the world. An empty, short life.
“The religious content has to be taken out and marriage has to become just one more reason to file paperwork with the government.”
This is why so many accept the premise of “gay marriage” in the first place. Many have been conditioned over the last 100+ years to think the institution is simply a collection of benefits and strictures that can be taken away and resumed as long as the state says it is OK. A recent poll has 40% of folks thinking marriage comes from man and thus the state. So gay marriage is possible because the state says it is possible, as the state defines marriage, at least for many.
It was always a danger, at least in modern times, as the state’s definition is simply going to be whatever judges, pols, or the majority think it is at the time. But there are some faiths whose definition is never going to change, as they recognize they don’t have the authority to change it. It’s just a shame the state has the power to punish if one disagrees with its ever devolving take on the institution.
FReegards
A marriage is a union between a man and a woman. You would have to redefine marriage.
It would be like changing the definition of “African American” to include white people so whites could get contracts geared towards the African American community.
Mine too but sadly, I think we’re in the minority. Everything is acceptable today.
I oppose it because, It isn’t right, says so in my Bible. Also they cannot reproduce only recruit.
No need to guess, His orderly handiwork is self-evident at every level of Creation.
For example, the quantum-mechanichal cosmological model observes that one moment the universe was not, and the next, all the energy in it was.
Aka: “Let there be light”.
And BTW, Quantum Mechanics, especially QED, is a fundamental part of the science that produced the engineering that produced the technology... that allows the photons to fly off the screen you're reading this on.
But then, any fool can see that.
Your premise is unworkable. Once you take G-d out of the equasion, why isn’t it okay to commit murder? Why isn’t incest okay too? Why shouldn’t you be able to commit perjury with no fear of punishment? Why shouldn’t you be able to go into your neighbor’s house and take his big screen TV? Why not bed your pet goat?
Every single law we have is based on the admonitions in the Bible and without it, how do you define morality? How do you differentiate between man and beast?
YOU think you are being logical, but what you are really doing is wiping out the very underpinnings of civilization itself.
Leviticcus
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And thou shalt not give any of thy seed to set them apart to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy G-d: I am HaShem.
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Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is abomination.
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And thou shalt not lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith; neither shall any woman stand before a beast, to lie down thereto; it is perversion.
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Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things; for in all these the nations are defiled, which I cast out from before you.
25
And the land was defiled, therefore I did visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land vomited out her inhabitants.
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Ye therefore shall keep My statutes and Mine ordinances, and shall not do any of these abominations; neither the home-born, nor the stranger that sojourneth among you—
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for all these abominations have the men of the land done, that were before you, and the land is defiled—
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that the land vomit not you out also, when ye defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was before you.
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For whosoever shall do any of these abominations, even the souls that do them shall be cut off from among their people.
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Therefore shall ye keep My charge, that ye do not any of these abominable customs, which were done before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am HaShem your G-d.
These Laws have served us well for over 6,000 years. They have raised us above beasts of the jungle and beasts of the field, But YOU would wipe it all out because you are so much smarter than the all the wisdom that civlized us without even realizing that what you propose is the downfall of HUMAN culture and a return to the cave.
Not to me,and I don’t think we are in the minority
Uhuh. Just like the occult latin-parroting eunuchs running a certain vestigial syncretic remnant of the perverted Roman empire... and those who ran theocratic god-man tyrannies of the Eqyptians and Babylons before them.
Meet the New Boss, same as the Old Ba'al
--The Who?
Good on ya -
don’t “concede” the authority of the Bible.
It is the only logical basis for any assertion of right and wrong. All other “bases” are arbitrary, and based on nothing but having your feet firmly planted in mid-air.
oops, wrong post to reply to.
If it applies to Kaslin, all the better, though... :)
How about just one? The state has no business telling people who they can and cannot form contractual alliances with. Therefore, the state should divest itself of the marriage business entirely, neither sanctioning nor disapproving it. Its compelling interest is limited to only the legal issues of property, child custody, etc.. So leave it there.
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MSM account for nearly half of the more than one million people living with HIV in the U.S. (48%, or an estimated 532,000 total persons).
MSM account for more than half of all new HIV infections in the U.S. each year (53%, or an estimated 28,700 infections).
While CDC estimates that MSM account for just 4 percent of the U.S. male population aged 13 and older, the rate of new HIV diagnoses among MSM in the U.S. is more than 44 times that of other men (range: 522–989 per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men).
MSM are the only risk group in the U.S. in which new HIV infections are increasing. While new infections have declined among both heterosexuals and injection drug users, the annual number of new HIV infections among MSM has been steadily increasing since the early 1990s.
The high prevalence of HIV among gay and bisexual men means MSM face a greater risk of being exposed to infection with each sexual encounter, especially as they get older.
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Count one reason... or (5) five... as you wish.
QUOTED: From a CDC Fact sheet published in September 2010
God doesn't hate sin because He is into being a buzzkill.
God hates sin because it is destructive to life as He intended us to enjoy it!
Have a nice day.
See my response @ #34 above
Because Gay Marriage is legal in MA. Federal Judge Wolfe ruled that all parental notification and opt out laws are hereby null and void. If you protest them you will be arrested and have the Superintendent of Schools and some city councilors protesting in front of your house. gay Activists can also enter public schools and have access to other people’s children to talk about El Joy de Sex without undergoing a CORI (criminal background check). If you are in Kiwanis and want to participate in the Reading is Fundamental program you do have to have a CORI check. Because we have gay Marriage, adults get to go behind the locked doors of Boston City Hall and attend the BAGLY “Prom” No Press. No Police. No Parents. Allowed.
“What happens if by some weird twist of fate, you get some Fred Phelps type person in charge?”
Or a mullah...
Isn’t that always the way it works with the left?
First, they beg for “tolerance” and non-judgementalism. Just let us exist in peace without harassement.
Then, eventually it gets around to using the guns of the state to make you recognize them as superior and forcing your kids to be indoctrinated into their worldview.
Big Amen to your post and to post #21
[The state has no business telling people who they can and cannot form contractual alliances with]
Sort of like the state has no business taxing citizens so the homosexual occultists sucking within its bureaucratic busson can give themselves healthcare benefits with which to pay for medications to treat the diseases rendered as the “due penalty” for their abomination of nature?
That kind of “no business”?
Ok.
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