Would Newt Gingrich rely on David Barton for advice and council?

WallBuilders Live clip (37 seconds) ^ | September 2nd, 2010 | Gingrich interview

[Halfmanhalfamazing]

Green: Mr. Speaker, my wife and I were really wanting to be able to vote for you for president two years ago. Are we going to get to do that in 2012?

Gingrich: All I can tell you is that sometime in February or March, Calista and I and our family will be making this decision. As you know, I'm a great admirer of your work and of all you've done to teach Americans about their history and the roots of American freedom. And I can assure you that if we do decide to run next year, we're promptly going to call you and say "we need your help, and we need your advice, and we need your counsel." It's more than a voting matter. If we decide to run, David, we're going to need you.

[Halfmanhalfamazing]

IIRC, I’ve seen that one........ and you couldn’t have missed Barton’s real message.

He may not have addressed those specific lines you are referencing, but he does agree with them. Anybody who’s done a fair amount of digging into the Founders would have to come to that as being the correct assessment of their views. Unless they were dishonest.(like progressives, who believe the Founders were athiests, and believe Barton to be a “theocratist”)

The Founders just were not interested in forcing any one religion upon anybody else - and neither is Barton.

[LomanBill]

“I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN”

—The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
—Thomas Jefferson, 1786

http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/vaact.html

ETERNAL HOSTILITY?

Strong words.

To what “TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN” was Jefferson directing this hostility?

[LomanBill]

>>but he does agree with them.

Great. Then you can show me WHERE he articulates that agreement?

[LomanBill]

>>like progressives, who believe the Founders were athiests,

Maybe that's just because those "progressives" haven't read the writing on the Walls of the Jefferson memorial, where Jefferson's belief in a Creator is articulated multiple times -- for all to see with their own eyes and FREE mind.

     

BUT THEN, perhaps the same thing could be said of those who influenced the Texas board of edumacation in its decision to exclude Thomas Jefferson from certain sections if its curriculum... sections  regarding "Revolutionary Thinkers".

 

 

How'come America's "Historian", who the Texas SBOE appointed for textbook advice, didn't immediately repudiate such an egregious act of revisionism?

 

 

 

 

[LomanBill]

>>like progressives, who believe the Founders were athiests,

Maybe that's just because those "progressives" haven't read the writing on the Walls of the Jefferson memorial, where Jefferson's belief in a Creator is articulated multiple times -- for all to see with their own eyes and FREE mind.

     

BUT THEN, perhaps the same thing could be said of those who influenced the Texas board of edumacation in its decision to exclude Thomas Jefferson from certain sections if its curriculum... sections  regarding "Revolutionary Thinkers".

 

 

How'come America's "Historian", who the Texas SBOE appointed for textbook advice, didn't immediately repudiate such an egregious act of revisionism?

 

 

 

 

[LomanBill]

"Barton says given the fact that Hindus are a tiny constituency of the American public, he questions the motivation of Senate leaders. "This is not a religion that has produced great things in the world," he observes. "

Read more: http://www.indiancinemafans.com/board/upload/lounge-57/historian-barton-says-hindu-prayer-before-senate-raises-concerns-13302/#ixzz1mE7yOTTl

"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination."
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

http://www.history1700s.com/etext/html/texts/jefferson/jeff1.txt

 

He "questions".  Uhuh.

FAIL.  No history soup for you!  Or for the Texas Board of Edumacation.


Got Morals and Dogma?

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=Morals+and+Dogma

 

 

 

[itsahoot]

From what Barton believes? Lets see, he quotes from original manuscripts and believes the writers actually meant what they wrote, instead of believing what some modern day propagandist says they meant.

That upsets you Nana?

[itsahoot]

How come Libertarians don’t ever win elections? Why do they always sew the seeds of doubt, on ground that will not grow them?

Libertarianism=Perversion in Progress

[itsahoot]

Maybe you would be more comfortable with Freud?

[Halfmanhalfamazing]

============he questions the motivation of Senate leaders=============

and

============in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination===============

Non sequitor.

————————while Barton acknowledges there is not constitutional problem with a Hindu prayer in the Senate, he wonders about the political side of it. “One definitely wonders about the pragmatic side of it,” he says. “What is the message, and why is the message needed? And will it actually communicate anything other than engender with folks like me a lot of questions?”

Barton says he knows of at least seven cases where Christians have lost their bid to express their own faith in a public prayer.-———————

It’s a fair thing to wonder about. I’ve wondered about it myself, and Freepers wonder about it nearly daily, it seems.

============while Barton acknowledges there is not constitutional problem with a Hindu prayer in the Senate==========

=============while Barton acknowledges there is not constitutional problem with a Hindu prayer in the Senate============

========while Barton acknowledges there is not constitutional problem with a Hindu prayer in the Senate==========

And there it is. That right there is what you are looking for.

[Halfmanhalfamazing]

——————To what “TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN” was Jefferson directing this hostility?——————

Perhaps, the kind that will allow Hindu prayer but not Christian prayer?

Yeah, I’m gonna go out on a limb and suggest Jefferson would have a big problem with that. Oh wait! Barton does too! Weird.

[Halfmanhalfamazing]

——————How’come America’s “Historian”, who the Texas SBOE appointed for textbook advice, didn’t immediately repudiate such an egregious act of revisionism?-——————

Because it didn’t happen, not the way everybody has been led to believe.

Even something as clearly anti-conservative as this can’t help but swerve into the truth:

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-education/state-board-of-education/sboe-removes-thomas-jefferson-blames-media/

==========The New York Times, in its story on the board’s vote, did mention the Jefferson amendment, accurately, but did not add that Jefferson is covered elsewhere in the curriculum.============

Loman, you’ve been slimed by the NY Slimes. Which is OK, it happens to us all. Happens to me too. They purposefully run with a half truth............

This is why they’re called the drive by media. They roll by slowly, spray a bunch of crap in the air, then drive off quickly while someone else has to clean up the mess.

==========But here’s what the board did: Early in the day, member Cynthia Dunbar, R-Richmond, successfully moved to remove Thomas Jefferson from a list of philosophers in the World History standards=============

So this is only an issue of a list of philosophers. Not the whole curricula.

Even Jefferson himself has noted the significance of Blackstone:

———————The opinion seems to be that Blackstone is to us what the Alkoran is to the Mahometans, that everything which is necessary is in him-—————————

Now, Jefferson didn’t seem to always like the idea about Blackstone’s influence during his day. But that’s another matter.

[LomanBill]

There's ONE mention of the Virginia Act for the Establishment of Religious freedom on WallBuilders.org

And that didn't appear until a couple of months ago.



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