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Sugar as Dangerous as Alcohol and Tobacco? (libs: tax sugar)
ABC News ^ | 2/1/2012 | Carrie Gann

Posted on 02/01/2012 2:55:04 PM PST by EagleUSA

Is sugar as dangerous as alcohol and tobacco?

One group of researchers from the University of California, San Francisco, says so. And they are urging a tax on sugary treats and some action by the government to get Americans to cut back on sugar.

In an editorial published today in the journal Nature, the UCSF doctors, Robert Lustig, Laura Schmidt and Claire Brindis, said the ballooning rates — and costs — of obesity, diabetes and other diseases, mean it’s time for regulators to lump sugar into the same category as booze and cigarettes and put similar restrictions on its sale and availability.

Increased control is necessary, they say, because efforts to keep excessive sugar out of the American diet have failed. “So far, evidence shows that individually focused approaches, such as school-based interventions that teach children about diet and exercise, demonstrate little efficacy.”

The authors say the government should consider taxing any processed foods that have added sugar, including soda, juice, chocolate milk and sugared cereal.

Other efforts should aim to make sugary foods and drinks hard to get, like imposing age limits for buying soda and controlling when and where sugary foods are sold. They also envision something like a sugar-free zone around schools.

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KEYWORDS: bankrupt; foodnazis; liberals; tax
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To: EagleUSA

Something really slimy and seriously permanent needs to happen to all these Nazis before they come for our Chocolate!

;-)


61 posted on 02/01/2012 8:26:39 PM PST by EasySt (2012... Sometimes you have to flush twice.)
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To: jmacusa; exDemMom
Thanks ‘’mom’. But it does turn into sugar in the blood.. This is what doctors who have treated me told me. Believe me, I know what happens when people drink. I certainly used to know what happened to me. But happily that was 22 years ago this month. I don’t live that way anymore, one day at a time.

No, alcohol does not turn into sugar in the blood or anywhere else. Ethanol is converted by alcohol dehydrogenase into acetaldehyde. Acetaldehyde is converted by acetaldehyde dehydrogenase into acetyl-CoA, which could enter the TCA cycle as do the products of glycolysis; however, when alcohol is being metabolized, NADH accumulates. As NADH accumulates the TCA cycle is slowed down so that pyruvate and acetyl-CoA build up. Excess acetyl-CoA then takes the route to fatty acid synthesis in the liver. That your doctors told you that alcohol turns into sugar in the blood underscores that many doctors are deficient in the field of human nutrition or that they forgot biochemistry.
62 posted on 02/01/2012 8:28:52 PM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan; jmacusa
That your doctors told you that alcohol turns into sugar in the blood underscores that many doctors are deficient in the field of human nutrition or that they forgot biochemistry.

Or that the doctor, faced with trying to explain a biochemical pathway to someone with no scientific background, simplified the explanation so much that it became incorrect. In that a fraction of the alcohol *does* enter the TCA after a few processing steps--the end result (of at least that pathway) is the same as if the alcohol were sugar, since the TCA is mostly fed by glucose.

Oversimplified explanations are the reason why I don't read scientific articles, books, etc., written for the general public.

63 posted on 02/02/2012 4:50:14 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: varyouga

From reading your posts, it appears to me that your weight loss was not from avoiding sugar, but from making an overall change in your food choices and taking more time to prepare the food. When you can throw something in the microwave and eat it 5 minutes later, you really can eat too much very easily.

Just because you live in Manhattan doesn’t mean you have to eat pre-prepared foods all the time. You can still buy fresh produce and meat, and take it home and cook it. “Organic” is merely a selling tool—scientifically, there is no difference in nutritional value between “organic” and regular produce, and there is no reason you should avoid fresh produce just because it does not have that “organic” label on it. (I won’t say it’s “non-organic”—scientifically speaking, all foods are, in fact, organic.)


64 posted on 02/02/2012 4:56:09 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom
Or that the doctor, faced with trying to explain a biochemical pathway to someone with no scientific background, simplified the explanation so much that it became incorrect. In that a fraction of the alcohol *does* enter the TCA after a few processing steps--the end result (of at least that pathway) is the same as if the alcohol were sugar, since the TCA is mostly fed by glucose.

This is also possible, but I have seen med students sneer at our med school's requirement that they take a simple practicum of a few hours duration from the Committee on Human Nutrition/Nutritional Biology. And our school, Pritzker School of Medicine, University of Chicago, at the time at least, was one of the few that had any such requirement.
65 posted on 02/02/2012 5:02:00 AM PST by aruanan
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

There are plenty of thin people with diabetes.


66 posted on 02/02/2012 10:04:31 AM PST by Borges
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To: EasySt

Don’t worry, I hear that our chocolate ration is going up to 25 grams per week!

;-)


67 posted on 02/02/2012 12:10:16 PM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: ConjunctionJunction

They tried this in WA state, it didn’t pass. They have to get every tax increase approved through a voter initiative and this one didn’t come close to approval.

There’s an article in the Seattle paper, today about a woman who is suing to have porn blocked from computers at the library because her young daughter was sitting next to a man who spent his whole time looking at porn. The Seattlites think that viewing porn at the library is a right.


68 posted on 02/02/2012 12:13:44 PM PST by Eva
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To: Eva

I live fairly close to Seattle. Can’t say I’m surprised. From their perspective, not only is it a “right” but it’s a “right” that has to be paid for by the taxpayers.


69 posted on 02/02/2012 12:27:13 PM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: varyouga

You’ve proved my point - there is a junk DIET.


70 posted on 02/02/2012 2:00:12 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Freedom4US
If more diabetics die from the sugar they ingest in thiountry in one year than all of humanity in recorded history that have been killed from the cannabis they ingested, should sugar be the controlled substance? Or do Americans have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of sweetness on their own recognizance?

Just sayin'... ;^)

71 posted on 02/02/2012 2:05:49 PM PST by AnTiw1
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To: AnTiw1
"thiountry" reads "this country".

I haven't been toking, I swear.

(But now I will) :)

72 posted on 02/02/2012 2:09:43 PM PST by AnTiw1
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To: exDemMom
A big problem here is that MDs with no training in research or scientific method put together a “study” or two, where they gather all kinds of observational data, have a statistician apply every statistical test possible to the data, find a correlation (e.g. that high soda consumption and obesity are correlated), and jump from there to concluding that a correlation is a causation. And they think they are actually doing research.

Like marijuana "causing" psychological problems.

73 posted on 02/02/2012 2:18:43 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Borges
There are plenty of thin people with diabetes.

Well, there are several types of diabetes, but the term essentially refers to the body's inability to process suger.

Type 1 diabetes, often occurs in normal weight individuals as children, but the much more common Type 2 usually is developed by overweight adults.

Funny coincidence how we have a diabetes epidemic in the US and simultaneously, Americans are fatter than ever.

Hmmmmmm....

74 posted on 02/02/2012 4:11:39 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: exDemMom; All
Sugar also does not cause weight gain.

Well, no...not if you simply look at it. You'd have to eat it.

Bottom line, if you consume more calories per day than you burn...you're going to gain weight.

What other substance has such a concentrated high caloric content, and needs virtually no digestion to be passed into the blood stream?

The above combination makes it very easy to overwhelm the body's systems and cause the excess to be stored as fat, or to tax the body's ability to utilize insulin or produce it in sufficient amounts.

It is practically impossible to find prepared food without sugar in it. But think of the folks that start the day with coffee, cream and sugar, Dunkin donut, or cereal with sugar, a Pepsi...several a day. And the same is true of white flour, it turns to sugar as soon as you start to chew it.

Folks are pounding down tons of the stuff to their own demise, and although I think it's their right to do so, they should have the information so they can make good choices.

75 posted on 02/02/2012 4:39:43 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: exDemMom

Well, thanks in any event ‘’Mom’’. Today, alcohol isn’t a problem for me. BTW, are you a doctor per chance?


76 posted on 02/02/2012 6:05:24 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: aruanan

Thanks for your reply. As I said to ‘’Mom, alcohol isn’t a problem for me today. You seem knowledgeable about alcohol/sugar, and alcohol, that is alcohol fermented from fruits is sugar, are you a doctor?


77 posted on 02/02/2012 6:10:09 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa
As I said to ‘’Mom, alcohol isn’t a problem for me today. You seem knowledgeable about alcohol/sugar, and alcohol, that is alcohol fermented from fruits is sugar, are you a doctor?

You mean, alcohol produced as a waste product by yeast feeding on sugars? I have a Ph.D. in Human Nutrition/Nutritional Biology (but did my thesis work in molecular neurobiology in the structure and function of an analog to the human L1 neural cell adhesion molecule), and a four year post-doctoral fellowship in Neuorobiology/Pharmacology/Physiology working on proteins associated with the expression pathway of acetylcholine receptor proteins.
78 posted on 02/02/2012 6:31:18 PM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan

I bow to your awesome iconography. Me, I’m just a recovering alcoholic. I meant fruits( sugars) like grapes and raisins are raw fructose, aren’t they?’’ Raisin mash’’ is about the most potent form of alcohol there is.


79 posted on 02/02/2012 6:40:31 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: EagleUSA

YEAH! Tax diabetics for having higher glucose levels.


80 posted on 02/02/2012 6:46:31 PM PST by Rebelbase
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