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To: ctdonath2
Well, I can't disagree with that, but let me make my point more explictly --

IF freedom is the answer (and I think it is) then we have to change our culture so that low standards of living for some (and I mean very low) are acceptable. And early deaths for some folks are acceptable.

Productive people? Go and live a wonderful middle class lifestyle. Government is getting out of the way. Be free and prosper!
Can't quite make it? Well, at least you're free. There's a church down the street that might help you, but just be clear: you are not entitled to what I have. I may give something, but you cannot take something of mine.

That's a culture shift, my friend. I think we need it. I think it would be good. But how do you plan to sell that to the people who want either Romney or Obama?

I say you can't get there from here. Which is why I think there will be a catastrophic meltdown in this country in my lifetime.

50 posted on 02/01/2012 7:26:05 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (When the night falls, it falls on me, and when the day breaks I'm in pieces.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The “shift” is going to happen, and it will happen to some or to all.

If we don’t make a conscious decision to cut off the dependent class and leave some to a lower standard of living, dependent on the limited resources of private charity,

then the whole economy, perhaps even worldwide, is going to experience a massive shift down in which most people are going to experience extreme hardship, probably even violence and death, as a result.


54 posted on 02/01/2012 7:34:56 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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