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Lincoln bishop: prepare for 'suffering' under HHS mandate
Catholic News Agency ^ | January 26, 2012 | The Most Reverend Fabian W. Bruskewitz

Posted on 01/31/2012 4:59:07 PM PST by The Shrew

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To: Lil Flower

There you go picking on the Catholics again, St. Therese of Liseiux/Little Flower.

Those are old numbers, I’m not really worried about them. What about the other denominations?


61 posted on 01/31/2012 9:33:34 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Campion

Well, too many use voting as a means of exonerating themselves or excusing themselves from any further political involvement.

Some might argue that the purpose of voting is to keep people from taking other political activity. It channels peoples political inpulses into the voting booth.

Your vote rarely matters. The outcome of elections determined by the person who draws the district lines. Let me draw the map and I will gladly permanently give up my right to vote.

Are we going to vote our ways out of this mess? Check the bulletin the first Sunday of NOV. Rarely is there a reminder of the obligation to vote.

There are exceptions. The conservative Catholics in Mass. campaigned hard for Scott Brown. But they are Mass. Democrats and it is part of their culture to know how to throw a punch.


62 posted on 01/31/2012 9:41:08 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (and I will go to southern Maine to campaign against MITT.)
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To: The Shrew

How little foresight they had about the jackboot that would come along with it!

Churches should be leery of favors from Caesar.


63 posted on 01/31/2012 10:34:39 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: campaignPete R-CT

I wish it could even provoke something a tenth as contentious as those OWS hippies’ demonstrations. It would sure as heck be better focused.


64 posted on 01/31/2012 10:39:47 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Ann Archy

Yep, they were granted an exemption from Obamacare... EVERY ONE OF THEM. At least that is what I read.


65 posted on 01/31/2012 10:40:18 PM PST by PastorBooks
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Maybe this is a big enough civil rights issue that even the unchurched will begin to care. Most Americans who are not outright atheists would probably agree it’s absurd in America to force people of any religion of the civilized world to do things they hold to be evil. If potential draftees could become conscientious objectors on religious grounds, then there shouldn’t even be a question about what “medical procedures” a church might not support on religious grounds, even while not being able to actually stop anybody from carrying them out on their own dime.

Too many churches lay down with dogs, and have gotten up with fleas. While the call to “do penance” (or repent) is not further elucidated in these announcements, surely the clear implication is that activists should be repenting from the role they played in cozying up to Caesar.


66 posted on 01/31/2012 10:49:10 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: PastorBooks

Surely you’d think there would be a lawsuit about this. Somewhere. Somehow. This kind of stuff is right down Jay Sekulow’s alley (ACLJ).


67 posted on 01/31/2012 10:50:24 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: The Shrew

The Democratic party prizes totalitarian atheist above all things, and at heart despises all religions including Catholics.

Perhaps because leftist see Goverment as their God, and thus the one and only God is in their eyes some kind of competition for the people’s loyalty’s.

One way or the other I suspect that the Catholic Church will be made to suffer for their defiance in defense of the convictions of their faith. Most likely Democrats will try to rob the Church of its Tax exempt status. That of course will be correctly portrayed as an open attack upon the catholic community as well as the 1st amendment.

Protestants should stand with their catholic brothers in solidarity in this regard. Our Godless Federal leaders are just as inclined to attack our convictions as they are that of the Catholics.

Stand together today or fall separately tomorrow.


68 posted on 02/01/2012 2:34:22 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: Honorary Serb

“Several Orthodox priests whom I know, including my own Confessor, say that there may well be martyrs in America in the near future.”

Let us hope it does not come to that, let us hope that theses nuts in Washington wise up before they let their ideological madness drive them to commit even greater evils.


69 posted on 02/01/2012 2:47:05 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: Gumdrop; A.A. Cunningham; redgolum
I'm glad to find out that this bishop is pro-life.

I would be even happier to find out that he is opposed to socialism in general, not just the small part of it that requires abortifacients in Catholic hospitals.

I would be ecstatic if that position was shared by the Catholic hierarchy in general.

70 posted on 02/01/2012 3:57:23 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Liberalism: Ideas so good, they have to be mandatory!!)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

I reply I could ask, then WHY did sales of guns GO UP last year?

Is it because folks are getting prepared “just in case” ?


71 posted on 02/01/2012 4:10:02 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Lil Flower

Well it is a good start.


72 posted on 02/01/2012 4:12:58 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Truth29
If tens of millions of Catholics told Obama no, how far would he go and what would the populace do?

What happened when scores of millions of Russian Orthodox told Stalin no?

Barky would love to tee up a bunch of stiffnecked white Catholics for the concentration camps.

73 posted on 02/01/2012 4:13:54 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Salvation
Obama won't have the support from many denominations that he had previously.

He may be working on a new plan, that won't need even that reduced support. Know what I mean?

74 posted on 02/01/2012 4:15:57 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: The Shrew

I saw a clip of Cardinal Dolan’s speech this morning. So glad the are fighting this.


75 posted on 02/01/2012 4:22:06 AM PST by jersey117 (Perry 2012)
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To: SaraJohnson

Her actions are not that of a bitter fallen-away Catholic. She is automatically ex-communicated from the Church.

Canon Law and Church Teaching

Canon 1398: “A person who procures a completed abortion incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.”

Canon 751: “Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”

Canon 1364 §1: “an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.”

The phrase “latae sententiae” means a judgment or sentence which is ‘wide’ (latae) or widely applied; it refers to a type of excommunication which is automatic. Such a sentence of excommunication is incurred “by the very commission of the offense,” (CCC 2272) and does not require the future particular judgment of a case by competent authority.

Apostasy, heresy, and schism are all offences which incur a sentence of excommunication automatically. Heresy is the obstinate denial of any truth of the Catholic faith, on a matter of faith or morals, which has been definitively taught by the Magisterium. The Magisterium has repeatedly and definitively taught that abortion is always gravely immoral. (CCC 2270 to 2275)


76 posted on 02/01/2012 4:56:03 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
And yet, Moslems are completely exempt from Obamacare for religious reasons.

It is not just moslems...

The Amish do not carry health insurance. The government respects their principles. Christian Scientists want to heal by prayer alone, and the new health-care reform law respects that...

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/social_justice/sj0257.htm

77 posted on 02/01/2012 4:58:44 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: Salvation

48 percent is insane. This freak show communist usurper needs to be replaced ASAP


78 posted on 02/01/2012 5:01:54 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Campion

Ping to #76.

She bit the apple with this ruling.


79 posted on 02/01/2012 5:03:21 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: Biggirl

I am not sure if Catholics are buying guns.

D’you mean this group of Catholics is extremely passive when it comes to elections in their town, but take an aggressive approach when it comes to “preparedness” and self-defense?

Maybe the Catholics down in Meriden are buying guns, but they are a rowdy bunch of Democrats and swarmed to the polls for Blumenthal.


80 posted on 02/01/2012 5:25:12 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (and I will go to southern Maine to campaign against MITT.)
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