Does Mormonism Scare you? Does the thought of a Mormon US President Romney scare you? READ THIS!

January 27, 2012 | Ralph Mitchell

[mitchell001]

Does the thought of Mitt Romney, a devout Mormon and Mormon leader, becoming President scare you? After reading this testimonial of an ex-Mormon ((http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_packham/why.html)), I am scared of Mitt Romney becoming President. Remember when Barack Obama was seeking the nomination in 2008, his 20 year attendance at Jerimiah Wright's church where radical preaching took place was glossed over by the American public and the press. I say we do not make the same mistake with Mitt Romney and his leadership role in the Mormon Church. In the GOP nominating process, let's explore Mitt's Mormon beliefs. Am I totally off base? Please read the link on the ex-Mormon above!

[citizen]

Jim would be a fine write-in choice!

[Jeff Head]

Hogwash.

I have a good friend, Steve Thayn who is a legiator here in Idaho in my district. A more conservative man you will not find.

He and I were talking at church today about our agreement that we need to do all we can to get the most conservative individual as the GOP nominee and that would not be Mitt Romney.

We believe Santorum is the most conservative, and both of us have concerns about Newts ties to Alvin Toffler in the 1990s, a futurist/progressive who wrote a book describing how the “3rd wave” politics of the future cannot contain the US Constitution because it is out dayed, and that Newt wrote a positive forward to that book and urged his colleges in the House to read Toffler’s books. Newt should repudiate that connection and history IMHO.

Anyhow, the idea that all Mormons politicians outside of Utah are liberals is just incorrect.

Clearly there are some that are...Reid being the worst, but certainly not all.

[Diamond]

So apparently there is an “us” to the Gods, and male and female have something to do with being in their image.

It is apparently you who disagree with Joseph Smith's early monotheism:

Book of Mormon, Alma 11:26-28 (1830)
“And Zeezrom said unto him: Thou sayest there is a true and living God. And Amulek said: Yea, there is a true and living God. Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God? And he answered, No.”

The Book of Mormon 'Testimony of the Three Witnesses' Preface:(1830)
“And honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.”

Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible Isaiah 44:6,8 (left unchanged): (1833) “Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer, the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.”

The Book of Moses, Moses 1:6: (1830-1831)
“And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the similitude of my Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for he is full of grace and truth; but there is no God beside me, and all things are present with me, for I know them all.”

Then again, JS's doctrine of God changed in 1834-1835 into Binitarian, or Bitheism, and by 1842 it had degenerated into full-blowhard polytheism. (The latter development no doubt in direct proportion to his lust for women)

Except that if one looks at the historical chronolgy of when these books were supposedly written, you get this:

What is sad to me is that you can apparently see through the Romney con but you are completely blind to the much more evil and deadly cons of that false flip-flopping 'prophet' Joseph Smith. Sometimes I think that if you would just use a fraction of the brain power that you have used to discern what Mitt Romney really is and apply it to Joseph Smith you might actually stumble into some truth about Who God really IS. In the final analysis, though, I think that MHGinTN is right, I pray that God will open your blind eyes and regenerate your heart and bring you to Himself - The One, The Only True God.

Cordially, ,

[Elsie]

Actually, if there were no written Bible Judaism would still be true because of the historical memory of the Revelation at Sinai.

Likewise...

Actually, if there were no New Testement, CHRISTIANITY would still be true because of the historical facts of the events in Jerusalem ~ 2000 years ago.

SOMEthing happened amoung the JEWS that has DRASTICALLY changed this world.

[Elsie]

... Newt wrote a positive forward to that book and urged his colleges in the House to read Toffler’s books. Newt should repudiate that connection and history IMHO.

WHY is this a p;roblem for you?

A certain man wrote a LOT of stuff that you MORMONs should 'repudiate' as well; but you refuse to even acknowledge that it exists.

Heal thyselves and we just might think you guys are WORTHY to be elected.

[cuban leaf]

—The anti-Christ does not come out of the USA.—

That, and the rest of your post (and mine) are opinion. They also demonstrate why studying Revelation, Daniel Ezekiel and the rest of prophesy, especially prophesy yet to come to pass is so controversial within the body of believers.

I do believe we are to look for Christs coming, but in the meantime it does tell us the Beast will receive power before Christ’s return. And I should also look both ways before crossing the street before Christ returns. ;)

And to be clear, I was using “antichrist” globally. The book of Revelation actually calls him “the beast”.

This also best describes my take on the whole thing: http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/biblestudies/Definitions/PreWrath.htm

And when you say “Romney hides behind an institution which calls itself a religion...”, I’m not sure how that is different from anyone who follows a false religion, or even some who claim to be Christians, frankly.

[svcw]

Good job Jeff. You get a gold star for answering the question that should have been asked and changing the subject.
You must have that video memorized.
Now answer the questions (remember you said you would answer any question about mormonSIM):
Do you agree with your church’s teachings that there are Quaker people on the moon?
Do you agree with your church’s teachings that you will one day become god of your own planet?
Do you agree with Joseph Smith when he said he was greater that Jesus Christ?

[MayflowerMadam]

Romney has succeeded in changing the image of Mormonism for many Americans. We used to say, “Sure, it’s a whacky little cult thing, but they’re harmless and are decent people.” Mitt has shown us that they’re neither harmless nor decent. Good job, Mitt!

A Mormon president scares me a little. You’d like to think the leader of the free worlds excercises a bit of discernment in his life. The stuff they believe is goofy, pure and simple. If he can’t/won’t give respect to the Bible by following it strictly (without bringing in fairy tales), how can we expect him to strictly adhere to the Constitution?

[Jeff Head]

There is one God the Father of mankind. I accept and profess that. None other. Period, full stop, end of story.

The quote you gave from Moses (thanks for the reference to the Pearle of Great Price) helps explain it...there God the Father himself speaks of the Savior, and yet says that there is one God...who is the Father. Yet the Father speaks of the coming Christ seperately, and we know that Christ is God's son, and also God. Pretty clear in that cripture that there are two of them, seperate.

Your entire chronology graph explains your interpretation of those scriptures...not, IMHO, necessarily what they meant, and there are scriptures apparently on both sides of the issue. But I think there is one interpretation that fits both.

Again, in Genesis:

"And God said, let us form man in our own image." "And God said, the man has become as one of us, to know good from evil."

In the New Testament, as I referenced earlier, the examples of Christ's baptism, of Christ transfiguration, from the martyr Stephen, and others all also indicate what is meant. In each caes, God the Father, JEsus Christ, and the Holy Ghost (in two) are refernced seprately, distinct from one another, indicating the plurality of the Godhead.

Perhaps, most importantly, IMHO, is where Christ Himself explains the dicotomy, in John in words that I believe are very straight forward and easy to understand.

John 17:11 "Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
,br> John 17:21 "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 17:22 "And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

John 17:23 "I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me."

...and , OBTW, in the next verse, Christ makes some other things clear:

"Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world."

Throughout this entire prayer He is speaking to the Father, God the Father...not to Himself. He indicates clearly that He wants his disciples, and those that would believe on them to be "one", even as He and the Father are "one."

Also, that God the Father has loved Him since bfore the foundation of the world, meaning our premortal existance, just like Moses spoke of.

Clearly, from these versus alone (plus all the others) the interpretation that fits is that the oneness is one of purpose and unity, but that they are seperate and distinct as evidenced by His own words praying to His Father!

Again, the oneness is that they are perfectly united through the plan of salvation and the atonement of Christ to have the same oneness that they have develop in all of us, that we may be like them, as Christ commaded in Matthew (referenced above) and as Paul spoke of in Romans:

"The Spirit beareth witness with our spirit that we are the chilkdren of God, and if children, then heirs, and join heir with Jesus Christ (notice he sppeaks of God the Father and jesus Christ seperately and that Christ inherits from the Father), if so be that we suffer with Him, that we migh also be glorified together. ,br>
"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that shall be revealed in us."

Christ prayed to the Father that this might be so, in Matthew He commanded that we do it.

Now, there is clearly a difference in interpretation of these scriptures (BTW, in the which in your own post you included the Book of Mormon...thank you) and I can accept that there is a difference in interpretation. None of that denies or steps in the way, or comes between me (or you for that matter) and the essential truth, the fact that rises above all of the indications of what our eternal glory will specifically be, and that is the atoning blood of Jesus Christ who is the Savior of the world and though whom alone comes salvation, which we both accept and profess.

I do not comdemn you for your differences in this regard. In my opinnion, if someone accepts Christ in their heart sincerely and fully, He will bring them to Himself and all truth in His time...just as He will all of us who do so. For He is mighty to save.

The Bible teaches that no man confesses Jesus Christ but by the power of the Holy Ghost. I so profess Him to you now. Jesus Christ, born of Mary in Bethlehem, raised in Nazareth, worker of great miracles, teacher of His Gospel of Love, Mercy and Atonement, curcified and Him resurected is my Savior and the Atoner of the sins of all mankind.

God bless you both Daimond and MGH for your love of and testimonony of Jesus Christ. May He do much good through you in bringing others closer to Him. I pray, and know that he is doing and has done the same through my own meager efforts and others I have a lot of experience with in my faith.

In my own case, when it has come to difficult and very threatening and mortal health experiences, I urge all to read my experience over the last three years with cancer, particularly my words and prayers for my family before I went into surgery in April of 2010.

I point you to the witnesses given of Christ's miracles through His will in my own life and literally thousands who prayed, in the name of Christ from many different denominations, for me and my family. I thank God for them all...and I profusely thank them for their faith, exerted on our behalf. I can only return the favor in trying to help others, as He would do.

During those difficult days, He let me know, through the whisperings of the Holy Spirit, that one of the purposes for my prolonged life was to witness for His name...which again, I do now...Beautiful, Wonderful, Glorious, Matchless, Counselor, the Mighty God, Savior of the world, Lord and God are all His names.

And now, again, I leave you with that...and am content to cease my own writings and ramblings on this thread. Let others judge as they will.

[svcw]

Jeff, mormonISM DOES NOT teach ONE God.

[Elsie]

Period, full stop, end of story.

You WISH!

Everything you DO NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT says otherwise.

[Elsie]

Clinton, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman...

Period, full stop, end of story.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs

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Jeff; just consider that I am channeling Paul Harvey with... "the REST of the story."

[Zionist Conspirator]

Actually, if there were no written Bible Judaism would still be true because of the historical memory of the Revelation at Sinai.

Likewise...

Actually, if there were no New Testement, CHRISTIANITY would still be true because of the historical facts of the events in Jerusalem ~ 2000 years ago.

Careful now . . . you're starting to sound like a Catholic!

SOMEthing happened amoung the JEWS that has DRASTICALLY changed this world.

So what? Islam also changed the world, as have most world religions. That doesn't make them true. And the Revelation at Sinai is the only national revelation in the history of the world. Chrstianity is just another religion among zillions founded by a human being who claimed to have a message from G-d or to (chas vechalilah!) be G-d. Those claims are all unprovable. The Revelation at Sinai is the only self-authenticating revelation in human history.

I'll stick with what is sure and certain, thank you very much. The "new testament" is just another "book of mormon."

[cookcounty]

I’m OK with his Mormonism (not OK with other things!), but I worry that the Dems will make a very big unflattering deal of his Mormonism, a religion which is vulnerable to lots of ridicule....I’m sure the Dems’ PACs will start running ads referring to him as “Bishop Romney,” and “High Priest Mitt,” worded technically saying they have no prejudice but in fact twisted so that is dripping with exactly that.

Obama, quoting Mitt, will be able to say that hew can’t do a thing about the ads and that he has no knowledge of the ads, hasn’t seen them.

[MHGinTN]

Your vitriolic denials of Jesus are the very spirit of Antichrist. The New Testament is mostly the witness testimony from the time The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and the effects of His coming and death and resurrection.

The testimony of so many witnesses is as valid as the testimony of witnesses to the revelation in Sinai, except God is bring forth an ekklesia for His own great purposes, from the entire population of the earth not just one nation.

Jesus is the current and last High Priest, our advocate with The Creator and author of the universe, of all that is or ever will be. God put an exclamation point on that reality in 70 AD. The more you revile Jesus, His work and Spirit, the more you serve the spirit of Antichrist, just as the LDS inc organization trains poor souls like Jeff Head and Normandy to spew fantasy explanations of God and the Grace of God in Christ and thus divert souls from developing a personal relationship with The Christ in the here and now.

[svcw]

So, you are OK with mormonISM. Are you a mormon or just uninformed or both?

[Elsie]

The Revelation at Sinai is the only self-authenticating revelation in human history.

Easily said. Can you provide any PROOF?

[Elsie]

Islam also changed the world, as have most world religions.

True; but JEWS were NOT behind those events; were they?

[MarkBsnr]

Actually, if there were no written Bible Judaism would still be true because of the historical memory of the Revelation at Sinai.

Likewise...

Actually, if there were no New Testement, CHRISTIANITY would still be true because of the historical facts of the events in Jerusalem ~ 2000 years ago.

Careful now . . . you're starting to sound like a Catholic!

Are you saying that both Judaism and Christianity depend upon a book? No book, no belief in God?

Interesting. Noah believed and he had no book. Moses believed and he had no book until God dictated it to him. But which book? Moses wrote the Torah. Does that make the rest of the Talmud invalid? Do you compare the rest of the Talmud to the Book of Mormon?

[hoosiermama]

a friend of the family converted to Mormonism out of college. She’s now a pastors wife.: not mormon. She told me she met many Mormons who believed in the White Horse and that’s why she was very concerned for his election.(she gave me no information, but your post explains why she expressed fear. I know understand some of her other thoughts.

IMO it doesn’t matter if Romney, the bishop, believes if a few million people think he’s riding the horse and that’s why they are following him....

It’s the White Horse and earned Grace that bothers me most

Still wish JR would post or have one who has the material just one thread with links to TRUTH articles/not bashing the faith to inform people what Romney’s faith stand for. He could lock the thread immediately so it wouldn’t turn into a fist fight but place it in a prominant place so it would reach many people.

BTW did you know that Huntsman is his cousin and that the Huntsman family fortune is intertwined with Bain/Romney? Why not transparency? IMO we had a straw candidate run only in NH to keep the ABR vote from falling into unfriendly hands. He got two delegates, but will have a seat at the table for platform issues, and they may have known out of the gate that it was going to convention.

Pray for US.