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White Blight: Charles Murray depicts an increasingly two-tiered white America.
City Journal ^ | 25 January 2012 | Kay S. Hymowitz

Posted on 01/26/2012 8:21:22 PM PST by neverdem

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Belmont & Fishtown--On diverging classes in the United States (long)

It's a synopsis by Charles Murray of his new book. It's easier to read at The New Criterion. Blockquotes are observed there.

1 posted on 01/26/2012 8:21:31 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Yeah, probably. I live there. Guy next door has a doctorate. So does the guy across the street, and his next door neighbor has a masters, and the next guy over is a cook but he's disabled. A doctor putting a split on a vertebrae managed to install it upside down. He wasn't disabled until that moment.

The doctor doesn't live here.

Most people in my neighborhood read at least four languages and speak 3. We used to have some cops, but they sold out and moved someplace cheaper.

I think the FBI is relocating to somewhere near here.

That's to get nearer the criminals (a joke ~ we have maybe 5 neighbors in prison ~ )

2 posted on 01/26/2012 8:29:16 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks neverdem.
...the debate about wealth and inequality will never be the same...
Quite the contrary -- the 'debate' has always been exactly the same as it is now.


3 posted on 01/26/2012 8:34:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: neverdem

It should be noted and remembered that Charles Murray is depicting FICTIONAL towns.

I see no support for his depictions. I’m not saying there *is* none, but none is supplied here.


4 posted on 01/26/2012 8:34:31 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: neverdem

Some of these Belmont people are among the least aware, less able to survive an upheaval, and politically the most stupid in America.

Money and skills don’t guarantee that you will have a brain that is realistic in its appraisals of reality, society, and threats.

I live among a few of them and they are almost useless. Their kids are educated in “schoolin” but not in life. Why? Because they are so sheltered that they have not been how to be streetwise and self-sufficient.

Give me a bunch of good ole boys when it comes to crunch time. THe US military realized that in WW2 when it took tough city-kids and let them lead the attacks against the Germans in the occupied cites, while letting the country-boys lead the fighting in the jungles and hills from Italy and France to the Pacific.

My father-in-law is one of those country boys - he survived four Pacific landings - Saipan, Tinian, Peiliu?, and Iwo.


5 posted on 01/26/2012 8:36:04 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: AngieGal

ping


6 posted on 01/26/2012 8:38:56 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: neverdem

Reads a bit like what has happened to the working classes in England. They had to bring in the foreigners to do the work.


7 posted on 01/26/2012 8:42:05 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: neverdem

My money is on “Idiotcracy.”


8 posted on 01/26/2012 8:45:49 PM PST by depressed in 06 ( Where is the 1984 Apple Super Bowl ad when we need it?)
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To: Nervous Tick
It should be noted and remembered that Charles Murray is depicting FICTIONAL towns.

IIRC, Belmont is a Boston suburb, and Fishtown is a Philadelphia neighborhood.

To represent the classes at the two ends of the continuum, I give you two fictional neighborhoods that I hereby label Belmont (after an archetypal upper-middle-class suburb near Boston) and Fishtown (after a neighborhood in Philadelphia that has been white working class since the Revolution).

I see no support for his depictions. I’m not saying there *is* none, but none is supplied here.

Check the link in comment# 1.

9 posted on 01/26/2012 8:59:50 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
Most disastrous for Fishtown residents has been the collapse of the family, which Murray believes is now “approaching a point of no return.”

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The Weekly Standard 05-18-2009
   Education

Our public schools are deeply entrenched with a progressive, godless ideology. As are the media and entertainment industry.

10 posted on 01/26/2012 9:04:30 PM PST by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: neverdem

Having grown up in North Jersey, the most diverse population in the US, and also the most segregated residential neighborhoods in the country, I know Murray is speaking the truth on this one.

There were parts of the Sopranos TV show that were great vignettes into this world. One housewife complained about not bumping into the Lladro statue, her son goes to a friends house and there are original Chagalls on the walls. One college age tutor drives a beater car to high school kids who get brand new cars the day they turn 17.


11 posted on 01/26/2012 9:29:53 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: Nervous Tick

Coming from the NYC area, the depiction if the two types of white rings very true, although the Fishtown types are vanishing.


12 posted on 01/26/2012 9:39:36 PM PST by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: neverdem

>> Check the link in comment# 1

I did. It’s good.


13 posted on 01/26/2012 9:46:25 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Nervous Tick

I see no support for his depictions.


I suppose that’s unlikely in a book review. Normally, the *book* contains the support. I’ve even read reviews that do (WSJ).

And Murray’s books are about the best-supported books you could hope to find.


14 posted on 01/26/2012 9:49:54 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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Murray is stating an important point, the person who wrote the review missed the larger point. The problems are cultural and values oriented not racial. Murray was castigated for writing The Bell Curve, yet the mess the ‘non white’ underclass is facing is the same as the emerging white underclass is facing. It will show itself in the form of lower IQ going forward but the issue is debasing the culture no race per se, and is ultimately the outcome of the socialist policies in the Industrialized world put in place over the past 90 years (in the US since the reign of FDR).

Not sure we can turn things around short of a complete collapse of the current structure and something akin to the great reawakening of the 19th century.


15 posted on 01/26/2012 9:57:58 PM PST by Leto (Damn shame Sarah didn't run the Presidency was there for the taking)
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To: Leto

That’s quite true. “Belmont”, is multiracial. Most are white, but there are plenty of Chinese, Japanese, Indians with a smattering of Middle Easterners and a few Blacks and Latinos thrown in for good measure.


16 posted on 01/26/2012 11:05:41 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: neverdem
I can find both Belmont and Fishtown in Pocatello, ID. The Belmont group are business owners or employees at Idaho National Labs. The Fishtown group is represented by the blue collar railroad and factory workers. Their incomes provide define what neighborhoods are "affordable".
17 posted on 01/26/2012 11:40:14 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: neverdem
The presence of this sort of class striation is not a new phenomenon. What typifies the American experiment is not the absence of social classes but the mobility between them, and a free society dies when class mobility becomes petrified.

Something like this happened under Diocletian in the late Western Roman empire, where one's social class remained constant by government fiat. The reason may strike modern American readers with a ring of familiarity - it was in order to preserve vital tax revenues in support of a welfare class.

I would not for a moment object to persons who are convinced - usually by their self-absorbed peers - that they have some sort of innate superior intelligence, to flock together, so long as they leave me alone. The problem is that they don't.

18 posted on 01/26/2012 11:43:39 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: SunkenCiv; muawiyah
Quite the contrary -- the 'debate' has always been exactly the same as it is now.

Ditto the purported divide in intelligence. Well-to-do, intact families may produce kids who test better on Stanford-Binet tests and their ACT's, because their parents have seen to it that they're better-prepared ..... but are they really smarter?. To assert that they do, after only one or two generations of separation from the less-educated population, would seem to be an unwitting descent into Lysenkoism.

19 posted on 01/27/2012 1:08:26 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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....the Fishtown types are vanishing.

Really? Where are they going? Or are they just turning into vital statistics?

20 posted on 01/27/2012 1:13:47 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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