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Belmont & Fishtown--On diverging classes in the United States (long)

It's a synopsis by Charles Murray of his new book. It's easier to read at The New Criterion. Blockquotes are observed there.

1 posted on 01/26/2012 8:21:31 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Yeah, probably. I live there. Guy next door has a doctorate. So does the guy across the street, and his next door neighbor has a masters, and the next guy over is a cook but he's disabled. A doctor putting a split on a vertebrae managed to install it upside down. He wasn't disabled until that moment.

The doctor doesn't live here.

Most people in my neighborhood read at least four languages and speak 3. We used to have some cops, but they sold out and moved someplace cheaper.

I think the FBI is relocating to somewhere near here.

That's to get nearer the criminals (a joke ~ we have maybe 5 neighbors in prison ~ )

2 posted on 01/26/2012 8:29:16 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: neverdem

It should be noted and remembered that Charles Murray is depicting FICTIONAL towns.

I see no support for his depictions. I’m not saying there *is* none, but none is supplied here.


4 posted on 01/26/2012 8:34:31 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: neverdem

Some of these Belmont people are among the least aware, less able to survive an upheaval, and politically the most stupid in America.

Money and skills don’t guarantee that you will have a brain that is realistic in its appraisals of reality, society, and threats.

I live among a few of them and they are almost useless. Their kids are educated in “schoolin” but not in life. Why? Because they are so sheltered that they have not been how to be streetwise and self-sufficient.

Give me a bunch of good ole boys when it comes to crunch time. THe US military realized that in WW2 when it took tough city-kids and let them lead the attacks against the Germans in the occupied cites, while letting the country-boys lead the fighting in the jungles and hills from Italy and France to the Pacific.

My father-in-law is one of those country boys - he survived four Pacific landings - Saipan, Tinian, Peiliu?, and Iwo.


5 posted on 01/26/2012 8:36:04 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: AngieGal

ping


6 posted on 01/26/2012 8:38:56 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: neverdem

Reads a bit like what has happened to the working classes in England. They had to bring in the foreigners to do the work.


7 posted on 01/26/2012 8:42:05 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: neverdem

My money is on “Idiotcracy.”


8 posted on 01/26/2012 8:45:49 PM PST by depressed in 06 ( Where is the 1984 Apple Super Bowl ad when we need it?)
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To: neverdem
Most disastrous for Fishtown residents has been the collapse of the family, which Murray believes is now “approaching a point of no return.”

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Our public schools are deeply entrenched with a progressive, godless ideology. As are the media and entertainment industry.

10 posted on 01/26/2012 9:04:30 PM PST by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: neverdem

Having grown up in North Jersey, the most diverse population in the US, and also the most segregated residential neighborhoods in the country, I know Murray is speaking the truth on this one.

There were parts of the Sopranos TV show that were great vignettes into this world. One housewife complained about not bumping into the Lladro statue, her son goes to a friends house and there are original Chagalls on the walls. One college age tutor drives a beater car to high school kids who get brand new cars the day they turn 17.


11 posted on 01/26/2012 9:29:53 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: neverdem
I can find both Belmont and Fishtown in Pocatello, ID. The Belmont group are business owners or employees at Idaho National Labs. The Fishtown group is represented by the blue collar railroad and factory workers. Their incomes provide define what neighborhoods are "affordable".
17 posted on 01/26/2012 11:40:14 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: neverdem
The presence of this sort of class striation is not a new phenomenon. What typifies the American experiment is not the absence of social classes but the mobility between them, and a free society dies when class mobility becomes petrified.

Something like this happened under Diocletian in the late Western Roman empire, where one's social class remained constant by government fiat. The reason may strike modern American readers with a ring of familiarity - it was in order to preserve vital tax revenues in support of a welfare class.

I would not for a moment object to persons who are convinced - usually by their self-absorbed peers - that they have some sort of innate superior intelligence, to flock together, so long as they leave me alone. The problem is that they don't.

18 posted on 01/26/2012 11:43:39 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: neverdem

Reverting to Social Darwinism to explain the inevitable fallout of trade policy and pernicious liberal social policy might impress someone who fancies himself to be a beneficiary of such. Everybody else sees the seeds of destruction being sown in our country. Everyone can’t be above average. There are all sorts, and gainful employment is a necessity for them all. That, we no longer have. Surprise! Those on the lower rungs are sliding into despondency.

Duh.


27 posted on 01/27/2012 6:05:44 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: neverdem

I’m glad I grew up in Belmont.


28 posted on 01/27/2012 6:16:30 AM PST by strider44
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To: neverdem

This is why unFree Trade and off-shoring are killing us. THERE HAS TO BE MANUFACTURING WORK FOR THE < 100 IQ crowd to do. EIther pay them to manufacture or pay them welfare or have a class war spurred on by the Demagogic Party. You pick. Tariffs or socialism that is the choice, I don’t like but that’s where we are.


37 posted on 01/28/2012 8:32:36 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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