Posted on 01/24/2012 6:55:11 AM PST by mitchell001
On his income taxes released today, we see that Romney gave $4 Million tithe donations to Mormon Church. Do Mormons help poor Americans with these donations? Do the Mormons have something similar to Catholic Charities, which helps thousands of Americans (both Catholic and non-Catholics) with basic life needs, medical help, childcare help, education help, etc. The main question is do Mormons use the $4 Million from Romney to ONLY advance the Mormon religion without helping the American poor. Does Romney even know or care what the Mormon Church does with his $4 Million donation? I think that is a fair question.
Here. "Research" some more, Rose. All tidied up in one place for ya...(and this shows your previous "research" was absolutely terrible!)
| YEAR | Obvious Pro-Abortion Romneys | Romneys Feigning 'Pro-Life' |
| Bottom-Line Summary: ANN Romney Lies Thru Her Teeth | Ann Romney, 1994: Romney's wife gives donation to Planned Parenthood Ann Romney’s Planned Parenthood Donation | Ann Romney, 2011: In the past you’ve said he’s changed positions only once, on abortion. Was that your doing? No, no, I never talked to Mitt about that. Our personal opinions have never changed; we’ve always been pro-life Ann Romney Reveals Mitt's Softer Side |
| Bottom-Line Summary: Mitt Romney Lies Thru His Teeth | “Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-choice." (Bruce Smith, "Romney Campaigns in SC with Sen. DeMint," The Associated Press, 1/29/07) + ...”my position was effectively pro-choice." (Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate 8/5/2007) | So, not only does Ann Romney tell Parade Magazine November 2011 that they've “never changed” re: abortion and that they've “always been pro-life,” but Mitt Romney told Chris Wallace part-way through their 2007 campaign that: “I never allowed myself to use the word pro-choice because I didn't FEEL I was pro-choice. I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn't pro-choice”...This was seven months after he said in January 2007 that he was “always for life.” (Source: Transcript: Mitt Romney on 'FOX News Sunday' |
| Romney Couple History of Abortion-Related Statements 1994-2011 | Obvious Pro-Abortion Romneys | Romneys Feigning 'Pro-Life' |
| Romney, goin' back to 1970 when Romney's Mom ran for Senate | "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. (October, 1994 Senatorial debate vs. Ted Kennedy) | "'He's been a pro-life Mormon faking it as a pro-choice friendly,'" Romney adviser Michael Murphy told the conservative National Review..., says the Concord Monitor = So I guess that made him a below-the-radar "flip" acting like a "flop?" |
| 1994 (Campaign) | "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice." (October, 1994 Senatorial debate vs. Ted Kennedy) = Mitt the flipster from what most LDS represent their faith as being...BTW, Romney uses the strongest word possible for support – “sustain” ...Note for non-Mormons: Lds use the word “sustain” for support for their own “prophet” | Romney has since invoked a "nuanced stance" about what he was in 1994: He says "Look, I was pro-choice. I am pro-life. You can go back to YouTube and look at what I said in 1994. I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice. (Source: Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate Aug 5, 2007) |
| 1994 (Planned Parenthood ties) → 2001 | (a) Romney's wife gives donation to Planned Parenthood (a href=”http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/09/ann-romneys-planned-parenthood-donation/”>Ann Romney’s Planned Parenthood Donation (b) On June 12, 1994, Romney himself attends private Planned Parenthood event at home of a sister-in-law of a Planned Parenthood board member where the president of Planned Parenthood recalls talking to Romney: "Nicki Nichols Gamble, a former president and chief executive of Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts, said today that the photo shows Mitt and Ann Romney at a private home in Cohasset in June 1994." Source: See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941932/posts; "Gamble said the pic was snapped at an event at GOP activist Eleanor Bleakie’s house and that she “clearly” remembered speaking with Romney at the event." Source: See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941627/posts; "In fact Romney personally attended the Planned Parenthood event in question on June 12, 1994. Gamble, the President of Massachusuetts Planned Parenthood in 1994, also attended the event at the home of a Republican, Eleanor Bleakie, the sister-in-law of a Planned Parenthood Board member. Both Romney and Michael Kennedy, who appeared on behalf of nephew of Ted Kennedy, attended the event." Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941240/posts | 2001: "I do not wish to be labeled pro-choice." (Mitt Romney, Letter to the Editor, The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/12/01) = So he doesn't want to be known as a "flop" (so what is he?) |
| 2002-2004 | “I will preserve and protect a woman’s right to choose, and have devoted and am dedicated to honoring my word in that regard…(Nov. 2, 2002) = Well, now guess what? He's solidly pro-abortion AGAIN! See also: "I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose. This choice is a deeply personal one … Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government's." (Stephanie Ebbert, "Clarity Sought On Romney's Abortion Stance," The Boston Globe, 7/3/05) = Ah, back securely in the "flop" saddle again? | Nov. '04: Romney & his wife had simultaneous pro-life "conversions" linked to stem cell research: Romney met w/Dr. Douglas Melton from Harvard Stem Cell Institute: He recalls that it happened in a single revelatory moment, during a Nov. 9, 2004, meeting with an embryonic-stem-cell researcher who said he didn't believe therapeutic cloning presented a moral issue because the embryos were destroyed at 14 days. "It hit me very hard that we had so cheapened the value of human life in a Roe v. Wade environment that it was important to stand for the dignity of human life," Romney says. Source: Time Mag, March 9, 2007 = (So the pro-abortion-but-no-pro-choice-label-please-is-now-a-pro-life-convert?) |
| 2005 | May 27 2005: Romney affirms his commitment to being "pro-choice" at a press conference. ("I am absolutely committed to my promise to maintain the status quo with regards to laws relating to abortion and choice.") = OK, this is at least a flop from November '04! | What about his gubernatorial record '03-'06? Mitt later says his actions were ALL pro-life. I assume somewhere in '05 some 'pro-life' decisions. "As governor, I’ve had several pieces of legislation reach my desk, which would have expanded abortion rights in Massachusetts. Each of those I vetoed. Every action I’ve taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life, I have stood on the side of life." = So, THESE ACTIONS were not only an '02 commitment reversal, but his May 27, '05 press conference commitment as well. So "flipping" is beginning to be routine |
| 2006 | April 12, 2006--Mitt signs his "Commonwealth Care" into existence, thereby expanding abortion access/taxpayer funded abortions for women--including almost 2% of the females of his state who earn $75,000 or more. (Wait a minute, I thought he told us post-'06 that ALL of his actions were "pro-life?"). Also, not only this, but as governor, Romney could exercise veto power to portions of Commonwealth Care. Did Romney exercise this power? (Yes, he vetoed Sections 5, 27, 29, 47, 112, 113, 134 & 137). What prominent section dealing with Planned Parenthood as part of the "payment policy advisory board" did Romney choose NOT to veto? (Section 3) That section mandates that one member of MassHealth Payment Policy Board must be appointed by Planned Parenthood League of MA. (See chapter 58 of the Acts of 2006, section 3 for details). | "As governor, I’ve had several pieces of legislation reach my desk, which would have expanded abortion rights in Massachusetts. Each of those I vetoed. Every action I’ve taken as the governor that relates |
| Early 2007 | On January 29, 2007 during South Carolina visit, Romney stated: “Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-choice." (Bruce Smith, "Romney Campaigns in SC with Sen. DeMint," The Associated Press, 1/29/07) = OK how could "every action I've taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life..." AND this statement BOTH be true? | Another South Carolina campaign stop has Romney uttering "I was always for life”: "I am firmly pro-life… I was always for life." (Jim Davenport, "Romney Affirms Opposition to Abortion," The Associated Press, 2/9/2007) = Oh, of course as the above shows, he's always been pro-life! |
| Summer 2007 | "I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice." Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate 8/5/2007 = OK...looking at '94 & '02 campaigns, both his public statements, his 2002 voter guide responses, & his actions (which are a major form of expression, ya know!) how could he say he "never said" he was "pro-choice?" | Then comes his 8/12/07 interview with Chris Wallace of Fox: "I never called myself pro-choice. I never allowed myself to use the word pro-choice because I didn't FEEL I was pro-choice. I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn't pro-choice, and so..." = Whatever he was from '70 when his mom ran as pro-abortion senator & he sided w/ her, to 5/27/05, w/whatever interruption he had due to a pro-life altar call in Nov of '04, whatever that was...well, he assures us it wasn't a pro-abortion 'inlook' or outlook 'cause he didn't feel "pro-choice..." = So does that make him a life-long pro-lifer? |
| December 2007 vs. November 2011 (Pro-treating offspring as research refuse late in previous POTUS campaign vs. now claiming 'never changed...always pro-life' | December 5, 2007: Romney: ...surplus embryos...Those embryos, I hope, could be available for adoption for people who would like to adopt embryos. But if a parent decides they would want to donate one of those embryos for purposes of research, in my view, that's acceptable. It should not be made against the law." Any "inquiring minds" want to try wrapping their minds around how a politician in one sentence mentions "adopting" embryos out (yes, a great thing to mention!) -- but then in the very NEXT breath says if a "PARENT" wants to be "pro-choice" (Mitt used the word "decides" which is what "pro-choicers" say they want) "to donate one of those embryos for purposes of research, in my view, that's acceptable." Say what???? How about 8-month gestationally-aged infants in the womb, Mitt? Or already-born infants, too, Mitt? If a "parent decides they would want to donate one of those...for purposes of research, in my view, that's acceptable..." No??? What's the 'pro-life' difference, Mitt? Here you call an embryo's mom&dad "parents" -- but "parents" w/ "research" give-away rights? How bizarre we have such schizophrenic "candidate!" | In the past you’ve said he’s changed positions only once, on abortion. Was that your doing? No, no, I never talked to Mitt about that. Our personal opinions have never changed; we’ve always been pro-life (a href=”http://www.parade.com/news/2011/12/4-ann-romney-profile.html”>Ann Romney Reveals Mitt's Softer Side) |
You said:
“Meanwhile, it asks members in third world nations in poverty to sacrifice their gold fillings to build ugly temples.”
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Then you said/quoted:
“..how members of the church in Argentina felt so compelled to provide funds for the temple that ‘THEY’ (emphasis mine) actually gave their gold fillings from their teeth to the church.
Which is it? Did the church ‘ASK’ (as you stated) that they do that or did the people voluntarily offer?
“..an example of pushing people to the limit of unnecessary sacrifice.”
You mean like the little old lady that is eating cat food so she can donate her SS check to the Billy Graham Crusade or her neighbor who is doing the same to donate to Catholic Charities?
Yes, the Mormons are wealthy, as well as the Catholics etc. No need to be embarrassed by their worldwide humanitarian efforts.
Again, I must point out that I am not a Romney-Bot nor support his run for Presidency.
maybe... but the real question is ... does that program help the needy of the Mormon planet Kolob?
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Please, it’s not a ‘fair’ question at all. It was a way to open discussion of Rominy’s relationship with his religion and a way to draw suspicion regarding his amount donated and to what purpose he claimed it to be offered. Frankly, what he claims it was ‘donated’ for is far more important than what it actually gets spent on since what it is spent on is the private purview of the tax-protected org to which he is attached. The question leads off on trails which are diversionary at best, purposely divisive at worst.
Lawsone, heed what Jesus says:
1Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. 2Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 3But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 4That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
(Jesus, Matthew 6:1-4)
Perhaps ... but that doesn't change the fact that the LDS Church keeps its financial records top secret and thus nobody knows exactly how much the Church actually donates to benevolence.
As correctly stated by greyfoxx39, the Mormon Church is in reality a large business. And as pointed out by colorcountry citing this source, the majority of money and manpower is donated by members of the Mormon Church on behalf of the Mormon Church and is not contributed by the Church itself. And as correctly noted by T Minus Four, Mormon tithes are NOT “donations” ... they are necessary and must be paid in order to achieve the celestial kingdom and godhood.
This stands in stark contrast to Christian charities. For example, Catholics donate billions to their church every year and a large percentage of that amount is spent in running hospitals, schools, orphanages, clinics, soup kitchens and much more ... all without regard to (and in most cases even knowledge of) the recipient's religious beliefs.
We have over 5000 church and Temple buildings around the world. ALL PAID FOR! Isn’t that terrible??
Not necessarily. It only means that the LDS business model is financially successful. Nothing more and nothing less.
Lawsone, become Biblically literate. heed what Jesus says:
1Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. 2Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 3But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 4That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
(Jesus, Matthew 6:1-4)
Get thee to a K-Cup dispenser and feel the freedom!
Lawsone, become Biblically literate. heed what Jesus says:
1Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. 2Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 3But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 4That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
(Jesus, Matthew 6:1-4)
Lawsone, become Biblically literate; heed what Jesus says:
1Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. 2Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 3But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 4That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
(Jesus, Matthew 6:1-4)
Tit for tat, channeling SD now?
Now you’re just parsing...as a mormon you should know that without a temple, those poor folks can’t take out their endowments, without their endowments, they can’t get sealed, without their sealings, they can’t attain celestial exaltation.
So, they may not have been “asked” directly, but they sure were compelled to believe that if they didn’t make such sacrifices, their eternal destination was very much in question.
There are many different ways to “ask” someone to do something.
“I have researched his history on pro-life, he has always been pro-life but waffled in a liberal state. He grew stronger as he went along.
Many folks have been through this conversion from giving in to not.
I believe him as to his standing, I trust him on his conversion. Just as you trust Gingrich on his conversion to being a better person.”
Romney has “been converted” on every issue there is to speak about-—with all due respect, are you naive enough to believe all of that? He and his wife donated to Planned Parenthood. He was in favor of underage girls having abortions w/o their parents’ knowledge. And as for “waffling in a liberal state”, that is actually OKAY with you?? Really? Romney told his church that he was pro-life but would masquerade as pro-abortion for political gain. That’s almost WORSE, since it says that he would betray principle, and human life, for his own benefit.
And then there are the fliers his campaign printed up to wish sodomites a “Happy Gay Pride Day.” Is this OK with you? Do you think he’s also been “converted” on this issue?
We are talking about a man who is a serial liar. He even lied about his own NAME in one of the debates! And then there is his history of running Massachusett’s health care system and economy into the ground, his record of raising taxes and fees, and on and on. A conservative supporting this man makes NO sense.
Get an education, look up Mormon Welfare. A world wide program to help the poor.
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Apparently you are the one that needs the education. Mormon welfare is ONLY for ‘worthy’ LDS members who when they need food or help with bills, must pass a ‘worthiness’ (spiritual) interview and then submit to a member of the local church leadership to determine their needs (like having a member of the women’s organization go through their pantry - I am not kidding). They also must be full tithe payers.
Then they, if at all possible, must WORK to pay for it in the church’s ‘Bishops storehouse’.
It isn’t charity at all and it isn’t for non-LDS.
What few times they DO help outsiders - like Haiti- they send a couple of hundred tents and sleeping bags so people can sleep in the parking lot (not in the church) and then call press conferences to say how much they are helping. We saw that firsthand during the Haiti crisis here on FR. One of the E’s (elsie or ejonesie22) posted pics of google earth that showed the stark contrast between what the LDS church was doing and the Catholic church a couple of blocks away.
The LDS do NOT open their books and tithing goes to things like building malls in SLC and who know what else. The church is never held accountable. Fast offerings are in addition to tithing and again go only to ‘worthy’ LDS.
Missionary funds (again in addition to tithing) are supposed to help pay for missions but I know when I asked for help for my LDS mission I was told to get LDS friends to pay for it and ‘sponsor’ me. The church would not help.
LDS tithing goes only to further the LDS church. Period.
Lawsone, perhaps self-removal from being online may prevent further damage you're doing to the Mormon church...In fact, go open your FREEPMAIL box from all the Lds FREEPERS desperately trying to get your lips zipped.
Or...better yet...please don't go offline...The Flying Inmans may actually award you as "honorary Flying Inman" of the week -- so designated for the tremendous service you're doing in "officially representing" the PR Department of the Mormon Church!
Oh, and in your "spare time" from all the 'bot' posting you're doing...ya just may want to read this as your "devotional":
1Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. 2Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 3But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 4That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
(Jesus, Matthew 6:1-4)
Oh I know the aims of the Mormon church all too well.
And I was “tearing down” Mormonism (telling the truth) long before Mitt ran for office and will keep doing so until my last breath.
I want to see as many people leave Mormonism as possible and come to Christ and I want to show others the truth so they don’t fall for their lies and PR like I did.
You’ve been here long enough to know that I don’t use sarc on the end of my comments and that there are few comments beneath me that I wouldn’t make...I quote from a famous movie line...”We mock what we don’t understand”
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You’ve been here long enough to know that I don’t use sarc on the end of my comments and that there are few comments beneath me that I wouldn’t make...I quote from a famous movie line...”We mock what we don’t understand”
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So rose why are you supporting Romney.
He is not a conservative.
pro-abortion
pro-homosexual agenda
pro-man made global warming
pro-gun restrictions
pro-government run health care
etc
So rose why is it that you are supporting him?
Your comments make it sound as though it is because he is mormon, is that the reason?
Hey Loud, rovenstinez does not need witnesses, it is the mormon doctrine - celestial marriage - own planet - godhood - lots of wives so there will be lots of children on the planets.
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