Has Obama Lost the Catholic Left?

The Cardinal Newman Society | 01/22/12 | CNS Staff

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Liberal leftist "catholics" (i.e., dissenting, mostly non practicing, pro-abort, pro-homo etc) may have voted for Obama in 2008, and may or may not vote for him in 2012.

But REAL Catholics (those who actually practice the Faith, go to mass weekly, believe the teachings of Catholicism, are pro-life, pro-family, etc.) did not vote for him in the past and will not do so in the future.

From Alex Murphy's profile page (Alex is NOT an apologist for Catholicism)

2008 Presidential Election demographics, footnoted and annotated
Your "by the numbers" breakdown of the 2008 vote, with emphasis on the religious voter (as of 04/07/09):

xx% McCain, 23% Obama - White Evangelicals age 30-64¹¹
75% McCain, 25% Obama - White^7,10 Born Again^5,10,12 Evangelicals^1,8,10,12
73% McCain, 26% Obama - Evangelical/Born-again Protestant¹⁴
xx% McCain, 32% Obama - White Evangelicals age 18-29¹¹
65% McCain, xx% Obama - Weekly church-attending Protestants⁷
65% McCain, 34% Obama - White Protestants^7,8
65% McCain, 34% Obama - White Protestant/Other Christian¹⁴
62% McCain, 35% Obama - State of Utah³
59% McCain, 40% Obama - Working-class whites¹³
57% McCain, 41% Obama - White men¹³
55% McCain, 43% Obama - Weekly mass-attending Catholics ^6,9
55% McCain, 43% Obama - "White voters" ¹³
55% McCain, 44% Obama - Non-evangelical Protestant¹⁴
54% McCain, 44% Obama - Weekly church-goers^1,4,7,12
54% McCain, 45% Obama - Protestants^6,8
53% McCain, 46% Obama - White women ¹³
52% McCain, 47% Obama - White "regular-mass-attending" Catholics¹²
52% McCain, 47% Obama - White Catholic¹⁴
51% McCain, 47% Obama - White college graduates¹³
xx% McCain, 47% Obama - White independent voters¹³
51% McCain, 49% Obama - White Catholics^1,7,11
46% McCain, 52% Obama - Non-Evangelical Protestants ¹²
46% McCain, 53% Obama - Protestant/Other Christian¹⁴
xx% McCain, 53% Obama - Monthly church-goers ⁴**
44% McCain, 54% Obama - "Young whites"¹³
45% McCain, 54% Obama - Catholics^{1,4,6,8,9,10,11,12}
45% McCain, 54% Obama - Catholic¹⁴
xx% McCain, 59% Obama - Semi-annual church-goers⁴**
38% McCain, 61% Obama - Occasional churchgoers¹
37% McCain, 61% Obama - Non-weekly-mass-attending Catholics^6,12
28% McCain, 62% Obama - Other faiths¹⁴
30% McCain, 67% Obama - Hispanics¹³****
xx% McCain, 67% Obama - Hispanic Catholics^8,11**,***, ****
xx% McCain, 67% Obama - Hispanic Protestants and other Christians¹¹**, ****
xx% McCain, 68% Obama - Don't attend church⁴ **
22% McCain, 73% Obama - Other faiths¹⁴
23% McCain, 75% Obama - Unaffliliated with any religion¹¹
23% McCain, 75% Obama - Unaffliliated¹⁴
21% McCain, 78% Obama - American Jews^2,8,12 and other faiths¹²
21% McCain, 78% Obama - Jewish¹⁴**
xx% McCain, 94% Obama - Black Protestants^11,13**,****
xx% McCain, 96% Obama - Blacks¹³**,****

[Salvation]

Obama won the overall religious vote, 52 percent to 46 percent, reversing President George W. Bush’s 51 percent to 48 percent “values voter” victory over Democratic challenger Sen. John Kerry in 2004. Obama also won the Catholic vote, persuaded young evangelical voters to choose him and began to squeeze shut the so-called “God gap” yawning between religious Democrats and Republicans during the Bush era.

How will the roughly 9.1 million evangelical Christians who voted for Obama vote in the next election? Will Obama's actions compel the 31.2 million evangelicals who didn't vote in the 2008 election to vote next time?

Obama Receives 77% of Jewish Vote-- More Than Kerry
White US Catholics move toward GOP, Hispanic Catholics toward Democrats
Among Catholics, Obama job approval rating decreases to 50 percent

[ansel12]

Yes, people already know the numbers, 54% of the Catholic vote for Obama, about 75% of the Evangelical vote for McCain, and the Democrats their usual, 78 to 80% of the Jewish vote.

But we could win the Catholic vote this time, I believe. We may even make inroads into other liberal groups, like the Jewish vote.

It will be interesting as time goes by, to see how we are faring with Hispanics.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Courtesy ping to post #21.

[ConfidentConservative]

I hope so too

[Brian Kopp DPM]

54% of the Catholic vote for Obama

That number is meaningless.

This number is the ONLY one that matters:

55% McCain, 43% Obama - Weekly mass-attending Catholics

The rest are CINO - "Catholic" in name only.

[ansel12]

Here is a quick look chart.

[diamond6]

My husband has a friend who was a “devout catholic”, and yet still wanted and did vote for Obama. My husband would go back and forth with him over and over regardng O’s abortion policy, and this guy thought that the socials issues trumped abortion.

Apparently now this guy does not want Obama in for a second term. He has not disclosed his reasons, but I’m hoping he is representative of a majority.

The organization Catholic Answers puts out a great book called “The Five Non-Negotiables”. This book really needs to get out there.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Thanks. (Though that graphic makes my eyes swim for some reason...)

[VideoDoctor]

I think you can safely say that the Catholic Left has lost Obama.

If I'm not mistaken Catholics went 54% to 45% for Obama in 2008.

[ansel12]

Actually that was useless, I’m interested in the politics of the Catholic vote, especially since we are importing them by the millions.

[Graybeard58]

How could a good catholic vote for that immoral creep?

From the article:

As you might remember, Obama won over the majority of Catholics in 2008, albeit mostly wayward Catholics.

Must be an awfully lot of "wayward Catholics" since Obama won the majority of Catholic vote the first time around.

[HiTech RedNeck]

They thought they could charm the Kenyan rogue into doing something half decent?

Well like they sometimes say, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on....

[Brian Kopp DPM]

54% of the Catholic vote for Obama

That number is meaningless.

This number is the ONLY one that matters:

55% McCain, 43% Obama - Weekly mass-attending Catholics

The rest are CINO - "Catholic" in name only.

Unfortunately, CINO applies to far too many Americans who label themselves catholic, including far too many members of the USCCB.

[ansel12]

It may matter to you for reasons of pride, but for those of us that are interested in politics and the effect that the Catholic vote has had on our nation, and the fact that we are importing Catholics by the tens of millions, we are interested in the Catholic vote, how the members of that single church vote, and as conservatives, how we can keep it from destroying us and our goals as conservatives.

[A.A. Cunningham]

How much less could they care?

[LomanBill]

 and as conservatives, how we can keep it from destroying us and our goals as conservatives.

"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD

 ETERNAL HOSTILITY

TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"

"...who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time;"

[snip]

...and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous.. when it is permitted freely to contradict them.

--Thomas Jefferson, 1786

http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/vaact.html

 

 

Use it or lose it.

[ansel12]

What was your point, and how does it help us, use what?

[re_nortex]

Deception is hip deep in many Christian churches.

I personally take an admittedly very narrow view in my characterization of what it means to be a Christian. From my standpoint, Conservatism and Christianity are yoked. Consequently, one simply cannot hold liberal views and claim to be a Christian. Liberalism embraces so many evils from abortion to homosexuality to property theft to evolution to feminism that are diametrically opposed to Holy Scripture.

In my particular (church of Christ) congregation of about 300 members, the number of those who voted for Obama was zero.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Then simply post the stats relevant to this thread:

55% McCain, 43% Obama - Weekly mass-attending Catholics 6,9
52% McCain, 47% Obama - White "regular-mass-attending" Catholics12
52% McCain, 47% Obama - White Catholic14
51% McCain, 49% Obama - White Catholics1,7,11
45% McCain, 54% Obama - Catholics1,4,6,8,9,10,11,12
45% McCain, 54% Obama - Catholic14
30% McCain, 67% Obama - Hispanics13****
xx% McCain, 67% Obama - Hispanic Catholics8,11**,***, ****
xx% McCain, 67% Obama - Hispanic Protestants and other Christians11**, ****

Here's the impact on "politics and the effect that the Catholic vote has had on our nation":

1) The single most important factor regarding how "catholics" vote is whether they attend mass weekly.
2)The same is broadly true among other religious groups. (Due to historical patterns - that have nothing to do with today's political reality & having little to do with moral issues, protestants tend to vote GOP more than Catholics.)
3)For Hispanics, religious affiliation is immaterial to their vote.