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18 rounds in 5 seconds: How Glock became ‘America’s gun’
Las Vegas Sun ^ | 18 jan 2012 | J. Patrick Coolican

Posted on 01/18/2012 11:02:18 AM PST by rellimpank

We’re at Desert Hills Shooting Club near Boulder City, and Paul Barrett steps up with a Glock 17. He fires the 9 mm semi-automatic pistol 18 times in about five seconds and hits the target every time.

In that five seconds, he demonstrates why the Glock is beloved by gun enthusiasts and police officers alike. It’s fast, reliable and offers a lot of stopping power, with three times the number of rounds as the old police favorite, the Smith & Wesson .38 revolver.

Barrett, in town this week for the Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor Trade Show (SHOT), the big firearms convention, has just published “Glock: The Rise of America’s Gun,” an entertaining and informative history — even if you’re not a gun enthusiast — of the firearm company that redefined the American handgun market beginning in the 1980s.

(Excerpt) Read more at lasvegassun.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: banglist; glock; rkba; rkbashotshow
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To: Ocean Ranger; All
I'll bet on a guy engaging a threat with a 7 shot 191,1 than a yahoo with a 33 round G17 who can't hit the target, nor clear a malfunction.

Bullseye. And the same goes for long guns - you put your money on the rifleman, rather than the dude with the glossy .3000 Hypersonic Super Magnum (with optional drum magazine).

Thanks for the links.

You're welcome. Hopefully others will take seriously the importance of professional training, and lots of it, to really learn how to "run the gun."

Anyone can pull a lever on a firearm causing it to make a loud noise, when often, the objective and consequences of doing so are not considered.

One of my well known firearms instructors / competition shooters tells us:

"Shooting a pistol is simple... but it's not easy."

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And for the high mag capacity fanatics, forget the speed, per se, but the accuracy, ability to recharge the weapon reflexively, and concentration on the primary and possible secondary threat(s) to remain alive with the absence of cover and concealment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbC5mEc6ipE

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Fun stuff... notice the mag changes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKDvov35s3w&feature=related

81 posted on 01/18/2012 4:28:39 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: yarddog
"Cooper was a little well a lot, overboard about the .45 auto."

And yet, when Cooper lent his endorsement and expertise to what he hoped would be the ultimate sidearm (the Bren Ten), he based the design on an upgraded CZ75.

82 posted on 01/18/2012 4:48:30 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem. meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

The 10mm was a good cartridge. I once had two Colt Delta Elites in that caliber, and wish I still did.

The 10mm seems to be dying a slow death tho.


83 posted on 01/18/2012 5:17:12 PM PST by yarddog
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To: yarddog
I used to have a Delta Elite, too and loved it. Actually Glock (of which I'm not a big fan) has spurred something of a resurgence in the 10mm. Double Tap ammo has become somewhat the "go to" manufacturer of the round offering (IIRC) at least 12 or 13 different loadings for it.

CZ took control of the Dan Wesson name a while back, and markets a 1911-styled, 14-round cap, 10mm called the Titan. The next time I have a spare $4K to play around with, I'm gonna buy one :-)

84 posted on 01/18/2012 5:36:14 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem. meum)
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To: Taylor42

As I will with my G-29 at 10 rounds and 15 rounds. Of all my handguns I own I heavily favor my G-29 10mm.


85 posted on 01/18/2012 5:49:07 PM PST by Ron H. (We are witnessing the beginning of the end!!)
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To: Joe 6-pack

That is a little bit out of my price range too.

There are so many guns I wish I had back. I also had an Auto Ordinance 10mm. It was actually a very good gun, way better than their .45 autos. My guess is they put a lot more effort into the 10mms since they were very powerful guns.

I have read that the 10mm is close to the .41 mag in power, tho it didn’t seem that hot to me. I didn’t and don’t have a chrony so I could never tell for sure.


86 posted on 01/18/2012 5:54:08 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Jack Hydrazine
It would be great to see them create a limited production run .50 caliber pistol and call it the Glock 50.

Ooh ooh I want one of those. Seriously I'd be near the front of the line to buy one should Glock chose to offer them. In the meanwhile I'll keep plugging them with my G-29.

87 posted on 01/18/2012 5:55:42 PM PST by Ron H. (We are witnessing the beginning of the end!!)
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To: yarddog
The 10mm does approach the .41 mag. Of course it's big benefit is the absence of a barrel/cylinder gap. Because even the oldest 10mm's are only 30 years or so old, the ammo manufacturers can be a little more robust in their loadings. Take a look at the advertised ballistics for some of Double Tap's stuff.

The FBI had (perhaps still has) some H&K MP5s chambered for 10mm. That is a fearsome weapon...

88 posted on 01/18/2012 6:01:54 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem. meum)
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89 posted on 01/18/2012 6:03:09 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: rellimpank
Hot puppydogs! A caliber holy war thread! Haven't seen one in awhile.

Fact 1 - .45 ACP shooters are antiquated fossils in Depends whose pieces are chiefly useful for beating the target to death once they've missed him 7 times.

Fact 2 - 9mm shooters are all gay and are using the extended magazines out of a sense of...well, you know, "inadequacy".

Fact 3 - people who shoot revolvers of any kind are simply too dumb to operate a semiauto. Two hands, too tough.

The only carry piece worthy of a real man like me is my 11mm Remington magnum automatic Derringer chambered for .416 Rigby. With other guys it's one shot, one kill. All I have to do is look at a perp with this baby and he and his buddies and his brother-in-law who isn't even there fall dead because they know they might as well. I shoot down satellites with it if I can find somebody to hold the mirror.

This thread ought to be good for 1000 posts after this one. You're welcome.

90 posted on 01/18/2012 6:13:37 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: rellimpank

I’ll stick with my S&W 686+ or Model 29. I enjoy shooting them. In a bad spot, I want a gun I’ve enjoyed shooting enough to do a lot of it...

BTW - the one time I’ve pulled a gun - many years ago - it was a S&W Kit Gun - 6 shots of 22 LR. The guys who had been moving to surround me stopped...dunno if they realized it was ‘just’ a 22 or not. But with upwards of 10,000 rounds fired thru it, they’d have been damn foolish to press the issue.


91 posted on 01/18/2012 6:20:41 PM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Mr Rogers

The best model 29 I have ever owned was one a dealer had bought at a police auction. He bought a lot of over 200 guns and the model 29 was one of them.

The rear sight blade had been broken off but it was excellent otherwise. I got a great deal on it and actually had the sight blade replaced at a gun show. The guy told me he could replace it right there if it was OK with me for him to use the concrete floor as an anvil. The sight looked like new when he finished.

That particular model 29 had a barrel cylinder gap which could not have been over a thousandth of an inch yet it never accumulate and power or lead. From a bench it would shoot like a house on fire. I could get one inch groups at 25 yards and the gun was probably capable of even better.


92 posted on 01/18/2012 6:42:53 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Billthedrill

Yeah.

My wife carries one of those....


93 posted on 01/18/2012 6:50:48 PM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

Look, I can explain the Hello Kitty grips...


94 posted on 01/18/2012 6:55:29 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Mr Rogers

All I need is a .22, thank-you-very-much.

Course, if you wanna be all formal and such some people do refer to it as a 5.7x28. ;o)


95 posted on 01/18/2012 6:55:52 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Billthedrill

Wife and I crossed swords about that very thing two nights ago!

My baby girl is a Hello Kitty cultist, but wife insists her first AR be bone stock because such things demean the serious nature of firearms ownership. (what a tightass)

I have visions of that Ann Barnhardt-AR portrait for my little girl, but she’s only three so it’ll be a while....


96 posted on 01/18/2012 7:05:28 PM PST by papertyger
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To: 6ppc

Well lets just say on the first date she screamed through a box of shells...


97 posted on 01/18/2012 8:01:05 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: rellimpank
It’s fast, reliable and offers a lot of stopping power, with three times the number of rounds as the old police favorite, the Smith & Wesson .38 revolver.

It's the shooter that is fast, not the gun.

Volume of fire is not the same as stopping power.

Just sayin'

98 posted on 01/18/2012 8:45:08 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> - - -)
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To: Ron H.; Jack Hydrazine
Glock 50 GI Drop-in Conversion
99 posted on 01/18/2012 8:51:34 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> - - -)
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To: Billthedrill
Fact 2 - 9mm shooters are all gay and are using the extended magazines out of a sense of...well, you know, "inadequacy".



100 posted on 01/18/2012 9:46:48 PM PST by Ron H. (We are witnessing the beginning of the end!!)
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