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Are we subsidizing GE's (er, Obama's tame super-corporations) CFL lightbulb change-overs?

I know the US-built conventional resistance bulb factories are getting shut down .... But is money going TO the Chinese CFL makers/importers?

1 posted on 01/14/2012 8:08:39 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE
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Ping.


2 posted on 01/14/2012 8:14:34 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
In a 2003-2004 study, the U.S. Department of Energy reported that one-fourth of CFLs, after only 40 percent of their rated service life, no longer produced at their rated output.

Um... it's 2012. Have there been no improvements since 2004?

Don't get me wrong, I think you ought to be able to light your home with $30 LEDs or pine knot torches, if that's what floats your boat. Constitutionally, the fedgov has no say in the matter.

But reports should be up-to-date, and honest.

/johnny

3 posted on 01/14/2012 8:16:36 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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You bet, we are subsidizing GE, GE wanted to close incandescent production for all kinds of reasons .... you can bet making this technology obsolete is going to have all kinds of tax benefits for GE.

By the way, 6.8 for CFLs isn’t close to being right. My own experience shown all the CFLs in my home burnt out after only 3 years except for very low wattage cfls like the 11 watt mentioned in this article.


6 posted on 01/14/2012 8:30:09 PM PST by dila813
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

So, with the passing of 100 watters, question comes to mind:

What happens with 50-100-150 bulbs? Are they forced to be 50-150? Can there be 40-80-120, or similar, to replace them?

What about 150w bulbs?


9 posted on 01/14/2012 8:35:27 PM PST by C210N (Dems: "We must tax you so that we can buy your votes")
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Limbaugh said as much, many moons ago


10 posted on 01/14/2012 8:37:00 PM PST by stickywillie (a corrupt parallel universe exists beside our wonderful Constitution)
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According to a story in the Wall Street Journal, Pacific Gas & Electric originally estimated the useful life of CFL bulbs at 9.4 years. But based on real-world results, the company was forced to lower its estimate to 6.3 years, meaning that it had overstated bulb life by 49 percent.

6.3 years? I'd be glad for half that. I don't think I've found a CFL yet that lasted 3 years.
11 posted on 01/14/2012 8:41:18 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

The gov. EPA site says that CFL`s should not be used within 12 inches due to UV radiation.


13 posted on 01/14/2012 8:53:53 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (CFL`s gives you a tan? ? Who knew?)
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The European Commission, which led the effort to ban incandescent bulbs in Europe, said that claims by manufacturers that CFL’s shine as brightly as old-fashioned bulbs are “not true.”

Who are you going to believe. The numbers put on the box by someone wanting to sell you something at 6 times the normal price or your own eyes?


15 posted on 01/14/2012 8:56:32 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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I live in the People’s Republic of California. My 89 yr old mother-in-law has macular degeneration and she always turns on all the lights in her house and it’s still not bright enough for her to see. It’s absolutely infuriating that the so called do-gooders have made it against the law for her to have sufficient lighting. She was a nurse in the WACs in WWII and worked as a nurse until she retired at 65. She should be allowed to have whatever the frik she wants/needs for lighting so her quality of life is the best it can be.

Forcing her to use dimmer, poisonous bulbs is absolutely shameful!!!! Shouldn’t we, as a society, be trying to improve people’s lives with sufficient light, water, power rather than strangling the progress that has been made???


18 posted on 01/14/2012 9:00:31 PM PST by TMD (Behind enemy lines.....)
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I have enough 60,75,and 100-watt bulbs to last me the rest of my life and more. I should put them into my will?

I have only one florescent light in my house that I consistently use and and that is the one that lights up my kitchen overghead. I wish I could find something to replace that fixture?

20 posted on 01/14/2012 9:11:28 PM PST by rawhide
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More anti CFL BULL$HIT.

“Go-Green advocates like to complain about the fact that 90 percent of the energy from incandescent lights is given off as heat, with only 10 percent providing illumination. But they ignore one important fact: The extra heat given off during the winter months can actually lower energy bills.”

Now this is ridiculous! What about SUMMER, SPRING, & FALL? What about California, the South, Hawaii?

Junk your furnace and plug in a thousand light bulbs instead. Then check your electric bill.

Lower energy bills? This idiotic statement tells you that the whole article is BS, so don't waste your time.

My experience with CFLs has been just the opposite of this articles conclusions. I know that with incandescent light bulbs, I was always replacing them. Now with CFLs I don't ever replace them, but I am colder (sarc).

21 posted on 01/14/2012 9:12:31 PM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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If they worked so great they wouldn’t have to force them on us. The market would do it naturally and without unConstutional force.

I mean who made you by a microwave, a car or a computer?


23 posted on 01/14/2012 9:24:52 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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Time to drop this stupid issue. I like ‘em, you don’t. Fine - it’s a free country. Get the gov’t out of the business of telling us which we should use and let the market decide.

Only in Obamanation could we have the problems we have and a gov’t that worries about this kind of BS.


25 posted on 01/14/2012 9:33:20 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I hate these stupid curley bulbs. I had a lamp with one today in a dark area of the house. I was trying to read an installation manual. The dumb thing got brighter and brighter over about 10 minutes. It really messed with my vision.

I want instant on, instant off. I want my old incandescents. The politicians were bought off by excessively large business (GE, etc.) to jam these stinking, expensive bulbs down our throats.

At some point, some businesses and big government become one and the same and they are really bad for liberty and freedom. GE is one of those now quasi government monstrosities.


30 posted on 01/14/2012 9:41:38 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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I know the US-built conventional resistance bulb factories are getting shut down ...

"Incandescent bulbs", if you please. Incandescence is the mechanism by which the light is produced, and this is how I've always heard them characterized. Where did "resistance bulb" come from all of a sudden? Any device which converts electric potential to some form of energy, including CFL bulbs, must present an electrical resistance to the flow of current that powers it.

"How does it work?" "I don't know, it's probably atomic." - The Five Thousand Fingers of Doctor T

33 posted on 01/14/2012 9:49:01 PM PST by dr_lew
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And my thinking is that even IF using CFLs did cut the mercury production at power plants, we will have traded that pollution reduction to relying on c. 100 million fellow Americans to conscientiously dispose of their used CFLs from now on.

Do you really want to bet the life/health of your children on the people you see navigating through commuter traffic every day?


34 posted on 01/14/2012 9:54:58 PM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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Unless a person is running about 50 lights at once all night the CFL savings if any at all due to using extra bulbs is NIL on your electric bill. 20- 60 watt incandescents is roughly 1200 watts. A medium size reach in refrigerator takes about 900 watts.

I bought plenty of 60 and 100 watt bulbs to do me my lifetime. If I want florescent lights {which I do have a few} I will use 40 watt 48" tubes with a reliable transformer ballast. I will get far more usage from them in their hours life than any CFL on the market.

37 posted on 01/14/2012 10:08:54 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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I’m a bit surprised that the one major draw-back of CFLs (at least, to my thinking) has not been mentioned.

I find fluorescent light horribly unpleasant and depressing. I’m not a big fan of any kind of artificial lighting, but fluorescent lights are the worst. It’s a double whammy during the winter, when there are only a few hours of natural sunlight.


45 posted on 01/14/2012 11:37:56 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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We tried to be good citizens and wanted to reduce our utility bill. We had an electrician come out and replace our 5 can lights in the kitched since they are on a lot and we wanted the latest and greatest electrical in the kitchen. We used flourescent flood lights at $12 each.....I’ve replaced at least 4 of them in two years. Our incandescants never burnt out.....our bedrooms, bathrooms and table lights are ALWAYS burning out.....what is the point of using these???????????


48 posted on 01/15/2012 12:35:27 AM PST by TMD (Behind enemy lines.....)
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According to a story in the Wall Street Journal, Pacific Gas & Electric originally estimated the useful life of CFL bulbs at 9.4 years. But based on real-world results, the company was forced to lower its estimate to 6.3 years, meaning that it had overstated bulb life by 49 percent.

I pointed this out on FR years ago and I was told how wrong I was.

52 posted on 01/15/2012 3:36:11 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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