Except the poor, persecuted mormons themselves.
Posted on 01/11/2012 11:55:36 AM PST by americanophile
On MSNBC just now, South Carolina Democratic chair Dick Harpootlian painted Republican voters there as potentially refusing to vote for a Mormon, while trying to make it so. From memory: It does not bother me that he may believe the Garden of Eden is in Missouri, but it may bother them.
This is an ugly card and I hope...
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That fits. Back when he was picked as Obama’s VP somebody told me he has a net worth of $150K. I’m certain he’s doing whatever his masters tell him. I’d be curious to know his net worth today.
I have no idea who she is or who she supports. I just thought the Democrats’ official opening shot on Romney’s religion was worth nothing. I really didn’t think the mentioning of Romney’s Mormon religion would be considered a “sutle promotion,” LOL! People have become so angry and childish around here...
Expect conversions.
Yes, and as I just pointed out (post #60), Kathryn Jean Lopez was the worst offender in '07 in openly and repeatedly promoting Romney.
Yet Americanophile provides no context for that in posting this piece.
No qualifiers.
No caveats.
No hurl alerts.
In January '08 you were posting threads like Speaker Hastert backs Romney
Even if you favor another candidate, how pro-Romney have you been in your past?
Except the poor, persecuted mormons themselves.
LOL! No decaf today? You should really calm down. Mitt Romney was running against John McCain in 2008 if you recall; just about every conservative I know embraced Romney rather than go with McCain. Yes, I read your post #60 - I’m supposed to post retroactive qualifiers to prove my ideological purity to you? I wouldn’t just on principle. You’re unreal man. I should add though that I am not, nor have I ever been, a member of the communist party. LOL!
Note how Lopez plays down Romneyism as a debate about historical geography.
If she wants to play the geography game, she can start by telling us where exactly "Kolob" is located. And she can tell us what Romney was doing there...and why she thinks somebody "spirit-born" on another planet isn't the equivalent of launching a "spirit-birther" movement...
...all to find out where Romney really was spirit-born...
After all...do the "birthers" really want an alien spirit-born creature from another planet operating as the leader of the free world?
Which really doesn’t count.
Does anyone think that any of the Christian evangelicals will be offended to know that their church president believes that God’s true prophet for modern times was Joseph Smith and that Smith said that God/Jesus appeared to him with some bad news for all the rest of the Christians - i.e. those who are not Mormons? According to Smith the Lord said that all the other creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
I remember one time while tracting home to home on some streets in Aiken, South Carolina as a Mormon missionary about 21 years ago. I had my discussions booklet with me where the 3rd Discussion goes over the First Vision story where Joseph Smith was told to join none of the churches. However in order to not scare investigators away the 1st Discussion only briefly touches on this First Vision story so I got out some 1st Discussion pamphlets in order that we’d be prepared to share an upbeat message without offending these investigators. I met a lot of Baptists, Methodists, and others on my mission who would’ve been very offended to hear that their churches were abominable and corrupt so we focused on first getting them to start reading the Book of Mormon, committing themselves to be baptized a member of the Mormon church, and coming to church before we’d get into these details with them.
Since my mission I’ve learned that its more respectful and honest to sincerely try to exactly answer investigator’s questions as soon as possible. That way they have more respect and we’re individually more effective at living good honorable lives. There are some Mormons I know who think that the church ought to be corrupt and cover things up. For example, I know of a scandal similar to the Penn State scandal where a known child molester was excommunicated but allowed to roam free for years in order to protect the reputation of the Mormon church as being a good scandal-free church since the child molester had been a Bishop. When one of the victims became an adult he went in to his Mormon priesthood leader for help and wanted badly to talk to his parents. This leader of his is a friend of mine. Well the friend arranged a phone conference for this young man with his parents to take place about an hour later. In the meantime he called church headquarters seeking guidance. About 10 minutes later the current President of the Church Thomas Monson (then the #2 man in the church) called my friend back with orders for him to obstruct justice and to keep the matter still covered up and to not let the young adult talk to his parents. My friend disobeyed and as a result the talk with the parents happened, they called the cops, and the cops did an investigation. The former Bishop who had been roaming free like Jerry Sandusky once roamed was suddenly under scrutiny, he went to jail, is on the child sex offender registry, and now like Jerry Sandusky he has a hard time getting anyone to let him hang around children. Well Monson was pissed that my friend wouldn’t obstruct justice in order to protect the church’s good name so he ordered Boyd K. Packer (then #3 and now #2) who was head of the Quorum of the Twelve to have my friend excommunicated from the church. One of the Apostles (now deceased) whose grandson is Jon Huntsman Jr. wouldn’t go along with this scheme and suggested they should excommunicate him too if they were going to excommunicate my friend for not obeying Monson’s order for obstruction of justice. Thus my friend wasn’t excommunicated but the then-President of the church Hinckley soon did have my friend released from his church position and he’s never held a position in the church since. Personally I don’t mean to be judgmental of anyone on any of this. I’ll let you all decide for yourselves if God approves of the Mormon church top leadership obstructing justice so a child molester can roam free and the church’s public relations could avoid taking a hit. Just think of all the people who might not decide to get baptized and leave the other churches which good Mormons believe that Jesus said are abominable and corrupt. I bear my testimony that the Mormon church leadership really cares about the church maintaining a stellar reputation as a good organization.
You’re right - the bigots on FR have made their hatred clear.
It has really soured my taste of this forum. I see the same
hatred on DUnderground; and believe me, they are reading the
postings here.
So much for the Constitutionalists here. A religious test
IS being applied.
That wasn’t Lopez’s comment, it was the quote from the Democratic Chairman of South Carolina, Dick Harpootlian. He was backhand criticizing Mormonism on Fox news saying that he didn’t care if Mormons believed that the Garden of Eden was in Missiouri, but South Carolinians might. When I googled him to find out who he was, as I wasn’t sure he wasn’t just a ‘Democratic strategist’ the story on NRO came up with a reference to the exact same line he used on MSNBC, so it was clear that it was a conscious effort by an official Democrat official to attack a Republican based on his faith. I merely noted that it’s the first official one that I had seen and we could expect much more of this from the diversity-peddling hypocrites that are the Democrats if Romney was the nominee.
It means I’m doing my job well; and will soon get anOTHER raise!!
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You get raises ???
How come ???
Im still on minimum wages after FIVE years...
Ooops a typo in my first sentence. I wrote: “Does anyone think that any of the Christian evangelicals will be offended to know that their church president” but meant to write “Does anyone think that any of the Christian evangelicals will be offended to know that their USA president (assuming Romney is elected)”
Now as far as my story about my friend I omitted one little detail. The phone call releasing him was from Hinckley directly and my friend was threatened with excommunication by Hinckley if he shared any confidential dealings he had with the people he helped in his congregation with anyone. So please don’t spread this story around as I don’t want the church disciplining my friend for disobeying his church leader’s orders to obstruct justice regarding child molestation. And yes this story I’m sharing is definitely true and I’d confirm this under penalty of perjury in a court of law if forced to do so.
They won't understand. They don't have a history of dealing with Mormons on any basis other than when the missionary comes to the front door and offers them cookies (or is that the Girlscouts, eh).
Being at a loss for reference points they'll come back at you for twitches, scratching while talking, sitting down while they stand, standing while they sit, spewing spittle (always a good one ~ Leftwingtards are really into spewing and spraying ~ as in spraying bullets), and so forth.
Don't try to get too cerebral when it comes to what the MSM is going to do to attack Romney's religion. They don't like folks with any kind of religion. If you've followed him at all you'd know the MSM hates the Dalai Lama ~ hard to believe but they do. That's because he's turned the other cheek to the Commies who are killing his country. That's use of a belief called AHEMSA by Jains and Hindus. It is a hard practice ~ total pacificism. He'll even tell you he's a Marxist ~ which is one of those things Ahemsa requires you to do ~ you do everything there is to eliminate causes of conflict.
Mormons would be well served to study what the Jains are up to ~ besides not eating onions.
There’s no proof of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Catholicism, Hinduism, Taoism, Confucianism and the others. So why the pride and hatred?
The greatest influence over people is story telling, such as believing that one of 144,000 that get to heaven, or passing guards by knowing secret handshakes, or kissing up the the supreme being instead of obeying the commandments will bring rewards, or that you have 88 virgins if you kill others, or that if you get people to agree to YOUR religion you are good; whatever. The Mormons believe their stories, you believe yours. I think you both are fools.
Hmm, there are JUDGES who go out of their way to protect pedophiles who come before them. Why should we expect that problem to be isolated to the bench!
I see you mentioned the name Boyd K. Packer. Of all of his quotes about the form of censorship and willing nondisclosure known as 'faithful history" or 'faith-promoting history," one comes to mind when reading your post:
"Some things that are true are not very useful."
Countless official sources for his speech about not telling all: The Mantle Is Far, Far Greater Than the Intellect, but this time we'll go with re-publication of the speech starting at Page 114 of this Institute (i.e., educational materials for college students or to teach college students) publication: http://institute.lds.org/content/languages/english/Institute%20of%20Religion%20Materials/Teacher%20Resources/Religion%20370,%20471,%20475%20-%20Teaching%20Seminary%20Preservice%20Readings~eng.pdf
I'm not sure you can "slander" a religion or religious belief anyway without conjuring up images of Moslems lopping off heads or blowing up body bombs.
Oh good grief.
The religious test APPLIES to government not individuals.
Either name names of people supplying incorrect information about mormonISM or stop the faked outrage.
If you are offended by the exposing of mormonISM to bad.
The information posted is from lds sites of various areas, including directly from lds .org.
Either show what is wrong or stop posting your bogus attacks on those exposing mormonISM.
This “oh pity me” is boring.
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