Dem Drives Anti-Mormon Card

National Review ^ | 1/11/2012 | Kathryn Jean Lopez

[americanophile]

On MSNBC just now, South Carolina Democratic chair Dick Harpootlian painted Republican voters there as potentially refusing to vote for a Mormon, while trying to make it so. From memory: It does not bother me that he may believe the Garden of Eden is in Missouri, but it may bother them.

This is an ugly card and I hope...

[Mr. Lucky]

Oh, I dunno. Maybe the way one drives cattle, or maybe a golf ball, or maybe a nail or maybe recycled aluminum cans, or maybe ...

[reaganaut]

The anti Mormon bigots are in full hue and cry on Free Republic and have been for months.

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MONTHS??? We’ve been here for years posting the truth about Mormonism.

And as you so correctly state, Zak, it is not bigotry to post quotes from LDS sources and to post personal experiences. Sadly, the LDS (and some non-LDS defenders) name call rather than actually rebut what we are saying or prove that we are wrong.

So, bert, care to point out actual bigotry?

[1010RD]

You’re right. Joe’s a blabber mouth, but somebody put that in there and he said it. I wonder if Mitt will have the guts to go to the mattresses with Axelrod?

A couple of SuperPacs in the right markets could revive the Rev. Wright fiasco. Axelrod is known for packaging black radicals for white voters. It will be interesting.

[svcw]

No, what is embarrassing is people who post these charges with no proof of incorrect information.
If you are offended, apparently, by the exposing of mormonISM to bad.
If you are offended, apparently, by the posting of lds leaders, direct links to mormon sites, to bad so sad - rebut the information.
Either back up your claims, so stop them.
This fake outrage is just boring.

[greyfoxx39]

NRO’s love affair with Mitt, first began in ‘07 when he made contributions to NRO affiliated entities, continues. Ho Hum, Klo. He really isn’t going to make you a plural wife.

[svcw]

Romney is not a conservative - period.
However, according to polling 94% of lds support him, you must like being part of that majority voting block going for a non conservative while claiming it is all about his mormonISM. Oh, wait it is for you isn’t it.

[Elsie]

After all, a cultist just cannot be a true conservative.

You nailed it!

If their critical thinking bone is fractured; how on EARTH could they POSSIBLY have enough neurons to string together to be a non-Liberal?

[Elsie]

The anti Mormon bigots are in full hue and cry on Free Republic and have been for months.

Yup!

We getting air time, Baby!

[maryz]

Joe’s a blabber mouth, but somebody put that in there and he said it.

I don't think anyone put it in. After I heard the bit on the radio, I googled and found it was in the Q&A after the speech. I couldn't find much, but it sounded as if it wasn't directly related to the question -- just Joe "I know something you don't know!" Biden.

[Elsie]

Free Republic is probably where he came to learn about the anti Mormon bigotry.

Oh I HOPE so!

It means I'm doing my job well; and will soon get anOTHER raise!!

[Elsie]

it’s embarassing

Yup; MORMONism sure is.It's rough being an ANTI-christian organization; but by GOD!! someone has to do it!

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Colofornian]

The anti Mormon bigots are in full hue and cry on Free Republic and have been for months. Free Republic is probably where he came to learn about the anti Mormon bigotry.

And I see, Bert, that you've begun to be in full hue and cry over the realities of Mormonism exposed.

And you don't seem to be taking this very "tolerantly."

Which means you're being rather religiously intolerant...intolerant about certain religious viewpoints being expressed.

And since intolerance = "bigotry"...you are basically confessing to the world...that by your own personal standards...you are a religious "bigot."

So...where do posters go to sign up for a "license" to exercise religious intolerance...like the type you've expressed here?

On what basis are some accorded the "right" to express open disapproval of some religious vantage points?

Why do you assign that right to yourself...but if others express disapproval of certain religious worldviews...that's a "no-no" in your eyes?

Surely you can see the two-faced, hypocrisy you're promoting here. Can't you?

[muawiyah]

A few years back one of the Mormon "defenders of the faith" jumped out of the trees where he'd been happily eating his banana for the day, and just gave me holy heck for what I was saying about "The Church of the Firstborn".

For me "The Church of the Firstborn" is also known as "Faith Assembly", "The General Assembly and (or 'of') the Church of the First Born", or "The Apostolic Charismatic Church of the First Born in the Fullness of Times Teaching Christ's Commandments Army Cross Training", and a few dozen other assortments of the same words (more or less), and inhabited by members of the same families.

I suppose COTFB means something to LDS, but the COTFB was around since at least 1702 when it was mentioned they'd had a church at or near what is now Bronwville, TX. I believe that was a whaling camp, so that'd be a branch of the earlier COTFB founded in Scandinavia (more than once I might add!).

Some of my relatives have claimed for many years that COTFB had already been a going business in Western New York many years before Joseph Smith was born, and he at least attended their services ~ whether or not he participated is a good question.

The part of religious faith that really sets these guys apart from most of us is they don't believe in doctors ~ other than setting bones they don't want doctors around. Most of their congregations look to be fairly straightforward these days but you can find their congregants on Indian reservations chewing peyote (and maybe using other hallucinogenic substances).

There are COTFB groups that practice fairly well organized serial polygamy ~ for example, Bill Clinton's baby-daddy and his mother. They each had five spouses over their lifetimes ~ which is pretty much characteristic of the COTFB in Brown County, Indiana and the Kenai Peninsula in Alaska. I think this is to counter the effects of a genetic condition that creates INDETERMINATE INFERTILITY ~ something you definitely don't want to have.

It's also something Bill Clinton seems to have ~ at least he's tried to cure it with thousands of women.

His more distant cousin David Howell (Koresh) definitely figured out how to get around the problem ~

Well, what more can I say ~ there are people who do not know much of the history of the non-mainline churches in America and imagine that all the strange folk out West are just Jack Mormons.

May be true in some places, but there's this COTFB group that just knocks the Jack Mormons off the porch when it comes to strange stuff ~ and they're all over the West ~ makes it harder to catch them and take away their chillun 'afore they can kill 'em by keeping them out of the hands of the doctors.

[Elsie]

So, Bert and Ernie: do YOU guys agree with or do you reject the above statements by MORMON leaders?

[Elsie]

BTW, few people ever imagine Mormons as victims.

Except MORMONs.

[Elsie]

All you said might be true but it is still no excuse for the vicious attacks and slander.

Golly!!

EXPOSE all these things you've seen and I'll get JR to BAN them!!!

[Colofornian]

If Romney is the nominee he will be mercilessly hammered for being a 'weirdo' on his faith by the diversity-loving Democrats. This is the firt open shot that I've seen.

Well, the "kickoff" for this cycle re: Romney -- by the MSM -- was Maureen Dowd's Oct. 18, 2011 piece on Romney...

Anne Frank, a Mormon?

Actually, that was probably #2...The Broadway production, The Book of Mormon, was the first cultural launch vs. Mormonism in '11.

[Elsie]

Almost all of what is passed off as anti-Mormon bigotry on Free Republic is in reality nothing more than people providing annotated facts concerning Mormonism

Passed off?

It's PISSED off MORMONs that canNOT accept the FACT of what their BELOVED religious organization is built upon!

THEY whine and bitch constantly about lies, twisting, out of context, slander, and yet they utterly FAIL to produce ANY evidence of what they so pomposly claim.

[Elsie]

Why is ELSIE so angry?

[Colofornian]

So it begins

And "so it begins" with the subtle promotions of Romney on this site, Americanophile?

What, no hurl alert?

Kathryn Jean Lopez, the author of this article you posted, was thoroughly campaigning for Romney in '07 & early '08. Why are you posting her pro-Romney pieces?

At the very least, why are you posting her pro-Romney pieces minus any caveats or qualifiers?