Dangerous" Microstamping Bill Would Ban Guns in New York

OPPOSING VIEWS ^ | Jan 10,2012 | swampsniper

[PapaBear3625]

So what are they going to start doing? Have weekly firing pin inspections? “Show me your papers and firing pin!”

As detailed in #55, all a cop has to do is see you in possession of a gun with the microstamp disabled, and he has an easy felony arrest to his credit. The cops will look for any opportunity to check your gun. If you are at the range, off-duty cops will check ejected brass. If you are involved in an act of self-defense at home, they take YOU away. Etc.

Let's say your wife decides to divorce you. All she has to do is to inform the police that you have tampered with the microstamping of your gun. Boom, you are under arrest for a felony, and not in a position to contest the divorce or child custody. She might even be the one who sanded down the microstamp, but try proving it.

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Microstamping Bill might also have prevented that whole Lewinsky thing ...

[SWAMPSNIPER]

"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

Ayn Rand

('Atlas Shrugged' 1957

[OneWingedShark]

>Boom, you are under arrest for a felony,

Personally, I think the “ex-felons can’t have firearms” is more a threat to liberty than this stupid bill.
There are just so many felonies these days that it boggles the mind, for example if you assert that the people have the right to overthrow the government then you could be charged with:
US CODE, TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 115, § 2385 — Advocating overthrow of Government [ http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/usc_sec_18_00002385——000-.html ]
Oddly enough, however, the Declaration of Independence *IS* law, and it too asserts the right of the people to overthrow a corrupt government: [ http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/organiclaws.txt ]

IIRC, Obamacare makes it a felony not to have “qualifying” health insurance, so I foresee *LARGE* numbers of people becoming felons in 2014 when it comes into effect; the evil genius of that is that people will be beholden to the bureaucrats possessing/processing their paperwork.

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[longtermmemmory]

The companies that market ignition interlocks and redlight cameras have done the same thing. Bribe politicians and judges. (oops sorry peeeerrrrrsuade)

This is simply taking by regulation plain and simple. This is no different than the slimy politician who lowers property values via regulation in order to have lower eminent domain costs for the government and lower land cost for their buddy developers.

[longtermmemmory]

this would also logically WEAKEN the firing pin leading to crisis failure. People will die b/c of this lame idea.

where do the class action suits start?

[longtermmemmory]

This is a follow the money situation.

who is this inventor?

is he a democrat?

[Smokin' Joe]

At any rate criminals will do what it takes to defeat the system and honest people will have to be very careful to pick up their brass so it can't be planted at a crime scene.

Why? The gun danged sure isn't registered to them.

Where does that leave the owner when their gun gets stolen?

It is bad enough that a person might wonder what nefarious use their (former) firearm is being put to, but to possibly face charges because some thief stole their gun and someone used it in a crime really sucks.

This crap needs to be fought tooth and nail (again).

[SWAMPSNIPER]

The only way to fight the New York mentality is to treat them like a hostile foreign nation.

[Smokin' Joe]

Guns stolen and sold on the street, as are most often used in crimes, won’t be trackable that way. AND... if the gun is recovered, forensic investigators are ~already~ pretty good at matching a gun to a bullet or an expended case.

Yabbut, they'll sue the former owner bacause they 'let' their gun get stolen and it was used to shoot that 'honor roll student who was just beginning to get their life back together at 26...' when the dope deal went sour...

This is mainly one for the tort lawyers, not any criminal investigators.

Requiring the imprinting of likely otherwise useless information with a system unlikely to work very long/well sounds like a 'gubmint priority' to me. All too typical.

[Smokin' Joe]

The only way to fight the New York mentality is to treat them like a hostile foreign nation.

It sure seems that way, but what did you expect from somewhere where Clinton and Schumer got elected? Must be something in the water up there.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

Many of them never left Europe, they brought it with them.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

Many of them never left Europe, they brought it with them.

[Smokin' Joe]

It isn't just Europe...

Why bother to flee totalitarianism only to recreate it elsewhere in a slightly lesser form?

It just goes to show people will miss their chains like a lost watch.

[smokingfrog]

http://www.derrynews.com/local/x1232762923/Londonderry-inventor-at-center-of-California-bullet-debate

[CodeToad]

[Myrddin]

This is no different than the slimy politician who lowers property values via regulation in order to have lower eminent domain costs for the government and lower land cost for their buddy developers.

Why does Harry Reid come to mind? He did that in NV. The Kelo case as well.