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Dangerous" Microstamping Bill Would Ban Guns in New York
OPPOSING VIEWS ^ | Jan 10,2012 | swampsniper

Posted on 01/10/2012 11:30:58 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER

Submitted by National Shooting Sports Foundation on Jan 10, 2012 For the fourth year in a row, anti-gun legislators from New York City have introduced firearms microstamping legislation (Assembly Bill 1157b) that would result in banning firearms in the Empire State. Microstamping is a patented process that micro-laser engraves the firearm’s make, model and serial number on the tip of the gun’s firing pin so that, in theory, it imprints the information on discharged cartridge cases.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; democrats; guncontrol; gungrabbers; guns; liberalfascism; microstamp; ny; worthesslaws; youwillnotdisarmus
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To: stuartcr

Revolver cases aren’t ejected on firing, but they would be marked if the firing pin is.


41 posted on 01/10/2012 1:19:41 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: stuartcr

Don’t expect anything to make sense, gun gabbers are batcrap crazy.


42 posted on 01/10/2012 1:22:14 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: stuartcr

Does the proposed law cover revolvers? Any way, you’d think that the setback would be enough to stamp the case. Certainly setback leaves forensics marks.


43 posted on 01/10/2012 1:22:58 PM PST by DBrow
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Yes, and what are they going to do, require periodical microstamping checks of all firearms? What's the penalty if your weapon doesn't microstamp properly?

If you lose a few pieces of brass, what are they worth on the black market? A criminal could deposit your brass at a crime scene, to throw off the scent.

None of that matters to a bunch of politicians, though. Not their problem.

44 posted on 01/10/2012 1:23:50 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: FlyVet
Most New York City people seem to have a very different view of what America is and should be. You can say the same about many of the big cities.

With urban populations now outnumbering small town and rural populations America as we've known it is in great danger.

The Constitution was intended to prevent the erosion of freedom, but without someone defending the Constitution it is hopeless.

45 posted on 01/10/2012 1:34:06 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The guns moved by the ATF to criminals are exempt.


46 posted on 01/10/2012 2:00:05 PM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Yeah but #32said something about a bolt face.


47 posted on 01/10/2012 3:14:23 PM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Yeah but #32said something about a bolt face.


48 posted on 01/10/2012 3:14:36 PM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: DBrow

That would make it harder to circumvent.


49 posted on 01/10/2012 3:17:22 PM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: DBrow

That would make it harder to circumvent.


50 posted on 01/10/2012 3:17:39 PM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: DBrow

That would make it harder to circumvent.


51 posted on 01/10/2012 3:18:24 PM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: DBrow

That would make it harder to circumvent.


52 posted on 01/10/2012 3:18:36 PM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: stuartcr

Sorry about all the repeats. Stupid mobile.


53 posted on 01/10/2012 3:21:38 PM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: stuartcr

Sorry about all the repeats. Stupid mobile.


54 posted on 01/10/2012 3:21:49 PM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Pull the firing pin, replace with an aftermarket unmarked one, or place the tip in a piece of fine emory cloth or board, give it a few spins and Voala! The microstamp is gone.

They understand that. The bill text states:

6. (A) Any person who wilfully defaces any machine-gun, large capacity ammunition feeding device or firearm, INCLUDING DEFACING A MICROSTAMPING COMPONENT OR MECHANISM OF A SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL AS DESCRIBED IN SUBDI- VISION TWENTY-FIVE OF SECTION 265.00 OF THIS ARTICLE, is guilty of a class D felony.
So if the police find you in possession of a firearm whose serial number indicates that it was manufactured after the date of the bill, and where the microstamping feature is disabled, then they charge you with a felony for each firearm. You can be sure that the police will use any opportunity they can think of to inspect your guns for such a violation.
55 posted on 01/10/2012 3:35:59 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: riverrunner

Or put someone else’s numbers there to have some fun.


56 posted on 01/10/2012 3:42:18 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: DBrow

***Ah. Some “microstamping” laws require that the bolt face apply some sort of mark or stamp.***

No problem! Take out the bolt, remove the extractor, take a carbide lathe bit and holding the bit in your hand, make a few swipes across the face. Micro stamp gone.


57 posted on 01/10/2012 3:47:08 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: PapaBear3625

So what are they going to start doing? Have weekly firing pin inspections?

“Show me your papers and firing pin!”


58 posted on 01/10/2012 3:49:37 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“So what are they going to start doing? Have weekly firing pin inspections?”

What they are hoping for is that Glock, Taurus, Ruger, S&W, Colt, Kahr, and so on will say no, we simply won’t ship to New york at all, too much hassle and exposure to legal problems. Or, that a gun currently selling for $900 will retail for $1500, so much fewer will be sold.

And prospective gun owners won’t be willing to put up with all the ancillary stuff that is sure to come down the pike. Like weekly firing pin inspections, or having YOUR code be accidentally entered into the police database after a gang shooting so SWAT comes to YOUR house by “mistake”.


59 posted on 01/10/2012 4:27:17 PM PST by DBrow
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To: stuartcr
As I understand there are variations. Any area where the primer or case is forced against a gun part by firing pressure could be marked but using the firing pin seems to be the technique they favor.

At any rate criminals will do what it takes to defeat the system and honest people will have to be very careful to pick up their brass so it can't be planted at a crime scene.

It all boils down to another scheme to make the dumbass liberals feel better, it doesn't have to accomplish anything else. It will get more votes for Bloomberg and Schumer and the other urban statists.

Most liberals are ignorant about guns and ballistics. Most of the press is equally as dumb. They will buy this idea and push it and the liberal politicians will run with it.

60 posted on 01/10/2012 4:38:12 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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