Jim Robinson: Taking stock of our dwindling conservative inventory

Jan 5, 2011 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

Tea party favorite and pro-life conservative Sarah Palin and her family were viciously attacked to the point she chose not to run.

Congressional Tea Party Caucus leader and constitutional pro-life conservative Michele Bachmann had early promise, but I guess came across as too "shrill" and consequently her numbers driven down to the point she exited.

Successful pro-life conservative Texas Governor Perry hit the race at the top but due to missteps and less than stellar debate performances soon fizzled and is now all but gone.

Pro-life conservative businessman Cain and his famous 9-9-9 plan had promise, but was driven out due to indefensible allegations.

Pro-life Reagan Revolution conservative Newt Gingrich reinvigorated his campaign and soared to the top of the national polls, but was unacceptable to the establishment and apparently also unacceptable to the "true conservatives" among us and his numbers are now plummeting

You'd think "unquestionably" pro-life, pro-family conservative Rick Santorum whose recent surge took him to a tie in Iowa and who's now surging in the national polls might be good enough to stand against Romney for the base, but looks like there are "true conservatives" now attacking HIM as not good enough.

Well, drive them all out and who's left?

Huntsman? Who? Moonbat Paul?

Ideas anyone? Should we all continue attacking the conservatives we don't like until we drive them all out?

Personally, I could easily have lived with Palin, Bachmann, Cain, Perry, Newt or Santorum and would be proud to enthusiastically support any of them, warts and all. Any one of them is infinitely better than Obama or Romney.

But if we don't land on one soon and raise him up over Romney, guess who we're going to be stuck with? And it ain't going to be pretty. And if abortionist/statist/progressive Romney (or moonbat Paul) is the one, might as well get used to four more years of Obama. I won't vote for or support either one of those two.

I'd suggest that we all stop trying to tear down the other conservative candidates in the race and instead concentrate on trying to build up our own personal favorites. Who knows? May even discover an acceptable conservative (if not a great conservative) in the bunch. We've never had a perfect conservative yet. Not even the magnificent Ronald Reagan. We and they all have warts.

But we do want to have a candidate with at least an actual CONSERVATIVE record and not an out and out liberal progressive RINO. So let's compare their records and their actual conservative accomplishments but not try to destroy them personally.

God bless and may the best CONSERVATIVE be our nominee.

[Finny]

Well said. Bravo.

[Finny]

Kehoe to The Boss: Why do I get the impression that you are for Mitt Romney or Ron Paul?

*Finny raises hand*

Um ... because you're short-sighted?

[Mr. K]

Gingrich - Santorum

or

Gingrich - Cain

[Finny]

An ABO-Even-If_It's-Romney writes: He [Romney] is for a corporate tax cut. He is for keeping military spending at current levels. He is for school choice and vouchers.

Windflier responds: Interesting. Does his record in office comport with those campaign promises? Bet it doesn't. Matter of fact, I know it doesn't.

ATTA BOY, WINDFLIER! Hit 'em where they ain't! You're exactly CORRECT! Romney is positioned to pull the biggest liberal coup ever: to get "true conservatives" to vote for an anti-conservative agenda simply because the candidate has an "R" after his name.

[Finny]

Gritty says: If Obama wins a second term, I fear the Constitution is likely finished and the country cooked .... Frankly, we may already be cooked based on the social and financial policies and results Liberals have successfully implemented (and to be fair, with a lot of "GOP Establishment" support or acquiescence). There may not be another opportunity to right the ship in 2 or 4 years.

Gritty, if America couldn't survive one more term of Obama (I believe there's a pretty decent chance it could), America would be equally doomed under Romney BECAUSE of the very support and acquiescence you mention above. Any "reprieve" provided by Romney would be false, fake, an illusion -- and it is guaran-damn-teed that liberalism and statism would grow more powerful in both parties.

Again, if America couldn't survive another Obama term, then it's already too late and Romney would simply be putting Republican icing on the Democrats' poison cake.

Romney needs to LOSE -- America has a better chance of survival fighting Obama than it would by relying on a toxic, poisonous, fraudulent Romney "reprive." Obama can be fought and defeated, wherease Romney would disarm conservatives altogether.

[Jim Robinson]

I don’t wonder anything, pal. I just zot every damn one of you abortionist/statist loving bastards that pop up. It’s like Zot-a troll-e.

[Jim Robinson]

I’m not going to vote for that abortionist/statist bastard Myth Romney. Don’t like it leave. If you start pushing for him on this pro-life conservative site you’ll be shown the door. Don’t ask me again.

[erlayman]

Romney who ran for Senate as a liberal, Governor as a moderate now President as a conservative, who has been on every side of every issue he has ever considered ? And according to you the candidate that acts like a Democrat is HUNTSMAN who has been 99% more consistently conservative than Mitt and Newt combined ?

First governor to oppose the No Child Left Behind. Lifetime record of cutting taxes, decreasing burdensome regulation, and responsible debt management with no accounting gimmicks in his budgets, passionately pro-life and pro 2nd amendment, best managed state in the country, best jobs record in the country, executive experience, deep knowledge of foreign policy, articulate, hugely intelligent and most of all with a record of trust and real world results to back it up. If that is the mark of a liberal, please let me vote for it !

[matthew fuller]

"Ideas anyone? Should we all continue attacking the conservatives we don't like until we drive them all out? "

I was for John Bolton in 2008, and I continue to think that he is a top choice, but he has not followed thru positively on his announced plans for an exploratory effort. Others here on FR agree with me, but there is no "groundswell" of support for him, and because of that, he might not perform any better than Fred Thompson in a bid, which I assume would have to be third party now. I would just as soon go that route, because I don't see any future success for Santorum in the Primary, and an epic landslide for Obama if we nominate Mutt. Kill the idiot Republican Party, and start all over with a Conservative Party. And it's too late to do that now. Say Hello to another four years of total disaster.

[Finny]

CRR civilly and eloquently writes to the Boss: NOT voting for Romney if he is left vs Obama is indefensible. Creating a 3rd party candidate because one doesn’t like Romney is also indefensible when one considers what Obama has done over the past week to weaken/purposely destroy this nation:
* allow Iran to trade weaponry with Venez and likely set up a base and then deny it
* impeachable offense to purposely weaken our military
* impeachable offense to put Cordrey (don’t care if I misspelled his name; he’s a pukebag commie from my state) in place with seated Senate
* lied countless times and day in day out purposely lies to the American public, treats our troops as his pawns, and makes our lives miserable because he simply hates us, as does Mooshelle

Can you say Romney would do this? If so, then don’t vote for him; if not, then do.

Certainly I can say that Romney would lie to the American public, and the most pathetic thing is that he may not even knows that's what he's doing.

He wants so badly to be a peacemaker, a Good Daddy to America, and in the doing would -- as he has always done -- roll over to liberalism and statism and embrace it in the doing, because it's so peaceful and reassuring.

Romney plays for the OTHER TEAM. He's wearing our Repblican uniform, but he's playing for the other team.

As for the other items on the list, the word "impeachable" is key. Romney would squelch any such sentiment or spirit in the Republican party as "unseemly." Romney would make statism and liberalism more powerful in both parties.

Can you say Obama would do this?

[Finny]

Jacob was a cheater, Peter had a temper, David had an affair, Noah got drunk, Jonah ran from God, Paul was a murderer, Gideon was insecure, Miriam was a gossiper, Martha was a worrier, Thomas was a doubter, Elijah was moody, Moses stuttered, Zaccheus was short, Abraham was old, Lazarus was dead.... God doesn’t call the qualified, He qualifies the CALLED! jus sayin.

So good it needs repeating.

[Finny]

lonestar, you're usually a worthwhile FReeper with a lot going for you ... so why do you occasionally succumb to the temptation of indulging in stupid, personal, nyah-nyah-nanny-goat snarkiness?

It adds ZERO constructive input, but stinks everything up like old dead fish. It wouldn't matter who you supported. Your egocentric small mindedness just reflects on your candidate.

You might reconsider your impact: If Perry supporters bicker and snip at fellow conservatives and get bitchy like third-grade girls rehashing silly, empty old crap ... it's reasonable to suspect Perry's a loser because he's got such loser-types rooting for him.

[lonestar]

I didn't start it!

I'm also not the person who has caused a lot of long time FReepers, and monthly donors, to be zotted or to voluntarily leave FR and took their donations with them.

I'm not on the ping list of the people who've caused most of the trouble...the unintended consequences they are only beginning to see.

You are barking up the wrong tree so take it somewhere else.

[Finny]

I can’t blame people for giving up in disgust and letting Obama have a 2nd term. It is the easiest, most gratifying thing to fall on your sword ....

DEAD WRONG on two counts:

1. It would take more courage than I've ever had to muster in an election booth to refuse to pull the "R" lever if the race is Romney vs. Obama. The EASIEST thing would be to vote for Romney. To reject it because I have come to the conclusion that there is a greater chance that he'd HURT American more than Obama would, would take real COURAGE.

2. You are the one who would see it as suicide, falling on one's sword, sepuku. I see it as a warrior offensive stance, an aggressive move to launch a battle on OUR terms. Going "offense" means fighting -- with my vote, in this case -- to see that Romney loses, because it is sure-fire certain that Romney in the White House would make liberalism and statism in both parties more powerful than ever. If you ask me, getting Republicans and conservatives to vote FOR all the things they stand against, would be an act of political sepuku not just for conservatism, but for America.

We can fight Obama. Romney, with his "Republican" administration, would disarm political conservatives in the Republican party and dilute to the point of feebleness the political forces that can fight for limited government. Obama would make those crucial political forces more determined and more powerful.

Romney needs to lose.

[Finny]

...if Romney wins, who is NOT MY FAVORITE, he better FIRE EVERYBODY WITHIN 500 feet of the white house.

Yeah, and I'd like a pony for Christmas.

[Finny]

In hockey, as in other areas of life, you play to win and if you didn’t spend some time in the penalty box, you probably aren’t trying hard enough. Politics and lawmaking has been compared to sausage-making. Newt is an experienced sausage-maker, so why are we surprised that he still has a few stains on his clothes?

Amen. Well said. I think Newt presents a pretty good chance of starting to help American regain its course toward limited government, the very best enabler of both social and fiscal conservatism.

[lonestar]

To use your words:

You might reconsider your impact: If NEWT supporters bicker and snip at fellow conservatives and get bitchy like third-grade girls rehashing silly, empty old crap ... it's reasonable to suspect NEWT's a loser because he's got such loser-types rooting for him.

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Finny to TomServo

I hope lurkers do an "in forum" search of your posting history. :^)

And you're STILL a jackass!

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It's OK for you to call people "Jackass?" And you preach to others?! Do as you say and not as you dO?

[Finny]

Well said! Bravo! *standing on chair whistling and cheering*

[Finny]

I didn't start it!

*rolls eyes*

Sigh.

Some people's kids.

[Finny]

In that you are very much like Mr. Servo! As you have demonstrated amply on this thread! {^)