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Progressives and the Ron Paul fallacies
Salon ^ | 12/31/2011 | Glenn Greenwald

Posted on 01/02/2012 8:05:11 PM PST by birddog

As I’ve written about before, America’s election season degrades mainstream political discourse even beyond its usual lowly state. The worst attributes of our political culture — obsession with trivialities, the dominance of horserace “reporting,” and mindless partisan loyalties — become more pronounced than ever. Meanwhile, the actually consequential acts of the U.S. Government and the permanent power factions that control it — covert endless wars, consolidation of unchecked power, the rapid growth of the Surveillance State and the secrecy regime, massive inequalities in the legal system, continuous transfers of wealth from the disappearing middle class to large corporate conglomerates — drone on with even less attention paid than usual.

Because most of those policies are fully bipartisan in nature, the election season — in which only issues that bestow partisan advantage receive attention — places them even further outside the realm of mainstream debate and scrutiny. For that reason, America’s elections ironically serve to obsfuscate political reality even more than it usually is.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 911truther; glenngreenwald; libertarians; paulkucinich12; paulmckinney12; pimpin4shrimpin; progressives; randpaultruthfile; ronpaul; ronpaultruthfile; stormfront; zot
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To: birddog
That he is doing so within the Republican Party makes it all the more significant. This is why Paul has been the chosen ally of key liberal House members such as Alan Grayson (on Fed transparency and corruption), Barney Frank (to arrest the excesses of the Drug War) and Dennis Kucinich (on a wide array of foreign policy and civil liberties issues). Just judge for yourself: consider some of what Ron Paul is advocating on vital issues

Looks like if I were a Commie Pinko or a Leftist, I would be excited about Paul. Unfortunately for this long winded writer, I am neither and have absolutely no interest in the fraud.

21 posted on 01/02/2012 8:51:28 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: birddog
On December 29, Ron Paul said there were only "a total of eight or ten sentences" that were "bad stuff" out of all of his newsletters. You've asked me to read this article. Have you read enough of his newsletters to know that if he thinks only eight or ten sentences are bad, he's a nut?

Which eight or ten? The parts about tracking us with our money and converting to a single card? The sentences in each newsletter warning about the Trilateralists? The sentences from an M.D. warning us that AIDS may have been created by the government? Or that ones that say AIDs can be transmitted by kissing? Or through the skin?

Or the whole Ten Militia Commandments, about how many members to have, where to hide your guns, how to select your members, how to avoid wiretaps, and how to keep things from your wives and girlfriends?

All of the comments about the New World Order?

The ad hominem insult to Martin Luther King in almost every newsletter?

The suggestion that the Mossad was behind the first World Trade Center bombing?

The bit about how the government was spreading disinformation about how crack was bad for you? Or about how crack should be legalized?

All of the racial comments, such as how a city named for blacks should be called Rapetown? Or how gatherings of blacks should be held at a crackhouse or welfare office?

All of the references to Haitians as HAIDstians?

The part about how the Panama Canal treaty was the result of an international blackmail scheme involving Trilateralists?

I could go on and on.

But which eight to ten sentences were, in Paul's opinion, bad? Because the negative pregnant of his statement is the rest of that crazy cr*p he is standing behind. Should we read that stuff, too?

22 posted on 01/02/2012 8:55:44 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: birddog

Well, I read it and it actually is a pretty good piece.


23 posted on 01/02/2012 9:02:00 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: birddog

Being a Jew hating ,9-11 truther, calling our troops war criminals,
Cheering on Iran getting the bomb, trashing Reagan , supporting Code Pink is sheer lunacy and will get us all killed .


24 posted on 01/02/2012 9:11:33 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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To: RonPaulLives

Ron pauls views have changed.

He’s a CAREER POLITICIAN who leads useful idiots around by their noses.

He claims to be against the NAFTA superhighway, yet he earmarked millions of dollars for it.

He claims to be against government intrusion into private lives, yet he earmarked money for surveilance cameras, as well as the establishment of a child tracking system.

He claims to be againt earmarks, yet every election cycle he earmarks hundreds of millions of dollars for useless projects that the federal government has no business funding.

He was all for term limits yet he’s in his what 14th term in congress.


25 posted on 01/02/2012 9:13:01 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper ( For those who have had to fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected shall never know.)
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To: RonPaulLives

Just like your hero, who supports george soros, barney frank, and dennis kucinich?


26 posted on 01/02/2012 9:19:29 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper ( For those who have had to fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected shall never know.)
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To: birddog
Interesting article.

So much division in the GOP that we might have to prepare ourselves for another 4 years of Zero.

27 posted on 01/02/2012 9:25:26 PM PST by VicVega ( GEAUX LSU TIGERS, GEAUX SAINTS)
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To: 2CAVTrooper

Neither I nor you, apparently, have any idea what the hell you are talking about. It’s interesting that you like to attack and lie about Dr. Ron Paul, a military veteran, while pretending to honor the military on your profile. I will have to forward your ridiculous comments to my father, a decorated Korean War veteran, so he can get a good laugh out of it too.


28 posted on 01/02/2012 9:27:22 PM PST by RonPaulLives (I won't be a neo-pawn in the game.)
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To: birddog

Greenwald is a first class ass clown. He is constantly nailed for either being wrong to.out right fabrication. If he supports Paul that is all the more reason to NOT support. You know a man by his friends.


29 posted on 01/02/2012 9:34:17 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (The patient is too far gone to save.)
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To: birddog

“The only person in this election who will work to preserve our country and our freedom is Ron Paul.”

Beck, is that you Glenn?


30 posted on 01/02/2012 9:51:11 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/Palin-West-2012."got a lot swirling around in my head.")
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To: birddog

I especially like the mental gymnastics liberals have to endure with Ron Paul’s agenda. As for his reception amongst Freeperdom, you must understand that reverting to 1773 principles has a shock effect of sorts. I’ve taken time to peruse much material on all the GOP candidates, and Ron Paul seems to be most in accord with my convictions to date. The price to be paid: corny graphics portending doom at the behest of Viking Kitties, and some sharp insults here and there. Oh well.


31 posted on 01/02/2012 10:19:30 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: Thunder90

That giraffe graphic rocks!


32 posted on 01/02/2012 10:20:49 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: birddog
I post a thought provoking article and in less than a couple minutes I’m immediately attacked as a whack job?"

It is not easy to adopt a maturity willing to assimilate and assess contrary points of view and respond in kind, so please cut some folks around here a break. I'd encourage you to stick with FR for the duration, if only because there are tons of folks here with great ideas, others to challenge yours and mine, and the principles espoused by our founding father: "working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America. And we always have fun doing it. Hoo-yah!"

Admit it. It's fun have your post submitted to a rash of inane cartoons, followed by one or two cogent responses.

33 posted on 01/02/2012 10:40:08 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: dragnet2; birddog; Jim Robinson; darkwing104; 50mm
The only person in this election who will work to preserve our country and our freedom is Ron Paul.

I can comprehend this lead comment by birddog without even reading the excerpt, let alone the article.

OTOH, the article is an interesting read, which shows the man reasons Progressives should prefer Paul over Obama.

So, is it wrong for a Conservative site to be upset about a poster, whether Old Timer or noob, advocating for Paul?

Seems like Jim has weighed in on this several times.

34 posted on 01/03/2012 12:05:02 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

I have no idea what your talking about. It’s not my quote and your response had nothing to do with #11.


35 posted on 01/03/2012 12:12:06 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ApplegateRanch

BTW, you’re free to cry and whine about something someone else posted, just don’t ping me to your tantrum.


36 posted on 01/03/2012 12:21:33 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2


lol...

I’ve notice there are a whole lot of people, that either don’t bother to read, or just can’t comprehend what is written.

11 posted on Mon Jan 02 2012 21:22:11 GMT-0700 (Mountain Standard Time) by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)


Sorry; your #11 was to #7, not #10 above it; that was why I posted it to you: a comprehension problem.


37 posted on 01/03/2012 12:45:39 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: RonPaulLives
Dr. Ron Paul’s views have not changed.

They sure haven't. He still blames America for every problem in the world. He still hates our military. He is still the pork barrel king. He is still a racist anti-Semite. He still does nothing but talk and complain.
The only thing that has changed is now he is even older than he was when he first went to Washington.
38 posted on 01/03/2012 3:27:27 AM PST by John D
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To: birddog
And I am about to pull my support

Posting liberal garbage like this too often and it will not be voluntary.
39 posted on 01/03/2012 3:31:20 AM PST by John D
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To: RonPaulLives
Dr. Ron Paul, a military veteran

So is John Kerry, Jack Murtha, Jimmy Carter, George McGovern and many others who hate the military.
I served with many who were in the military, but did not respect it. Cut and Run is a good example of that type of veteran.
40 posted on 01/03/2012 3:38:47 AM PST by John D
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