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Aftermath: The Reno Air Race Crash
Flying ^ | December 30, 2011 | Peter Garrison

Posted on 12/30/2011 8:12:41 PM PST by EveningStar

It will be a while before the NTSB issues its findings about the crash of The Galloping Ghost at the Reno Air Races this year. There were so many witnesses, however, and photographic and video coverage of the disastrous accident was so clear, that it did not take long for theorizing about the cause to converge on a single scenario.

(Excerpt) Read more at flyingmag.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aviation; gallopingghost; jimmyleeward; nevada; rara; reno; renoairraces
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1 posted on 12/30/2011 8:12:48 PM PST by EveningStar
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2 posted on 12/30/2011 8:14:37 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

“that the engine was pulling full power — 105 inches of supercharged manifold pressure — in the final”

That is a lot of boost in anybodys book.


3 posted on 12/30/2011 8:23:19 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Parley Baer

105??!! wow! I thought 30 using turbos was good.


4 posted on 12/30/2011 8:28:07 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: EveningStar

Didn’t know it needed so much trim at full speed. When the trim broke there was a sudden high G (possibly 11) pull up.


5 posted on 12/30/2011 8:47:16 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: EveningStar
FYI, the image of Buzz Aldrin on the ladder of the LM is a paste up. The moon was not in the actual photo, and in fact was high in the lunar sky at that time, and all other times at that location.

Here's the original photo, AS11-40-5868:


6 posted on 12/30/2011 8:53:28 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: Parley Baer

Yep.

I remember talking to pit crews in the 90’s and they were remarking that 80 was a lot back then. 105? That’s.... very aggressive.


7 posted on 12/30/2011 8:54:02 PM PST by NVDave
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To: dr_lew

DOH! Should read, “... The earth was not in the actual photo, and in fact was high in the lunar sky at that time, and all other times at that location.


8 posted on 12/30/2011 9:04:12 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew
FYI, the image of Buzz Aldrin on the ladder of the LM is a paste up. The moon was not in the actual photo, and in fact was high in the lunar sky at that time, and all other times at that location.

The moon most certainly was in the actual photo, and it was not high in the sky, it was in fact under foot.

Now, the Earth OTOH...

9 posted on 12/30/2011 9:05:42 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: EveningStar
I thought this cute:

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10 posted on 12/30/2011 9:28:36 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: CodeToad; Parley Baer; NVDave
I believe the Ghost was powered by a Packard (Merlin, Allison) V-12 (V-1710 or 1650) engine known for their delightful variety of gear drive superchargers and auxiliary gear drive on the front case.

Additionally the Army insisted on turbochargers for their Allison powered craft, and Allison designed and used a two stage supercharger very successfully.

It is likely the Ghost had two superchargers, maybe three, however the six individual exhaust ports on each side belay the turbos.

For the Army stock P-51's using the two stage superchargers, full throttle would result in high manifold over pressure if the pilot sheared the maximum throttle safety wire. Regs required major engine inspections if a pilot did so.

11 posted on 12/30/2011 9:38:01 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: EveningStar

What the heck is that second picture of?


12 posted on 12/30/2011 9:41:55 PM PST by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: EveningStar

Always loved that second photo. That’s one of two passes Tex Johnson did barrel rolling a 707 (Dash-80) over a Seattle Air and Water show. He was showing off the plane to the public and reps from various airlines. Now THAT man knew how to sell airplanes. Bet no one at Boeing today has the balls to do that to a 787.


13 posted on 12/30/2011 9:47:42 PM PST by LVGuy600 (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Boiler Plate

That is the Boeing 707 prototype doing a roll at an airshowe in Seatle in the late 50s

Video here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra_khhzuFlE

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


14 posted on 12/30/2011 9:49:33 PM PST by alfa6
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To: alfa6

Is that the time the test pilot got called on the carpet for rolling the aircraft?


15 posted on 12/30/2011 9:53:49 PM PST by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: Parley Baer

I believe that’s around double what a WWII-era Merlin ran as boost at war emergency power (i.e., throw the book out the window and shove the throttle to the firewall). That’s a good indication of just what they do to the engines in those unlimited racers, and the stress they’re under.

}:-)4


16 posted on 12/30/2011 9:56:39 PM PST by Moose4 ("Oderint dum metuant" -- "Let them hate, as long as they fear." (Lucius Accius, c. 130 BC))
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To: EveningStar

Bad luck all the way around.


17 posted on 12/30/2011 10:01:32 PM PST by poindexter
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To: Yo-Yo

The whole thing was a FAKE!

(just kidding;)


18 posted on 12/30/2011 10:04:52 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: LVGuy600
That’s one of two passes Tex Johnson did barrel rolling a 707 (Dash-80)

The VIPs in the back didn't even spill their highballs.

19 posted on 12/30/2011 10:04:52 PM PST by poindexter
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To: Boiler Plate

According to Tex Johnson the Boeing test pilot he was called in to Mr. Allen’s office at Boeing. Allen being the CEO at the time and asked what he was doing, Johnsdon replied “Selling Airplanes” Allen said well let’s don’t do it again:-)

It’s on the video clip I linked

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


20 posted on 12/30/2011 10:39:50 PM PST by alfa6
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