Romney's Mormon Advantage

mormons voted for Romney at a rate of 94% last time, no reason to think this time will be different.

There is a difference with mormonISM. If you do not follow all the rules, become temple worthy, you are assigned to a lower level of their heaven. Romney is the highest of the high, temple worthy, in order to be there he must follow the lds line.

You know, Nana, every now and then you just go off the deep end.

The Mormons would have liked to have a law to kill Christians throughout the country, but they never got one..

I am going to ask for references for that one. Or a retraction.

If you read the lds “rules” about abortion, and there are many, the last one says “if you pray (prayerful consideration) about the abortion and god says it is ok, then it is allowed”.
Now the so called “gay marriage” deal, there doesn’t seem to be much resistance of that, regardless of the big PR statements, just watch how SLC lds votes and statements they have made in Utah. One does have to remember that if homosexual marriage is legally recognized, next to follow would be polygamy. There are already law suits in Utah challenging the prohibition. Polygamy has become a huge issue in Canada, if they recognize polygamy there, we will follow sooner than later.
And then the whole illegal alien issue........

Nope. Romney is a temple mormon. Which means he is the highest you can be, only 15% of mormons are temple worthy. In order to be temple worthy you must follow all the rules and regulations.
mormonISM is not as conservative as their PR machine would have you believe.
When people like Harry Reid, Jon Huntsman and Mitt Romney are temple worthy, how conservative can they be?

All polling in the last elections showed a 94% lds vote for Romney, you must have been part of the 6%.

“Modern governments DO NOT TAKE THE LIFE OF THE ADULTERER, and some of them have done away with the supreme penalty where murder is involved-all of which is further evidence of the direful apostacy that prevails among the peoples who call themselves Christians.” (Mormon Doctrine, 1958 ed., p. 104)

If some people knew what was good for them, they would beg the Mormons to kill them:

“And furthermore, I know that there are transgressors, who, if theyknew themselves, and the ONLY CONDITION upon which they canobtain forgiveness, WOULD BEG OF THEIR BRETHREN TO SHEDTHEIR BLOOD, that the smoke thereof might ascend to God as anOFFERING to appease the wrath that is kindled against them, and that thelaw might have its course. (Sermon by Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses,Vol. 4, pages 53-54; also published in the Deseret News, 1856, page 235)

“In debate, George A. Smith said imprisonment was better than hanging. “I replied, I was opposed to hanging, even if a man kill another, I WILL SHOOT HIM, OR CUT OFF HIS HEAD, SPILL HIS BLOOD on the ground, and let the smoke thereof ascend up to God; and if ever I have the privilege of making a law on that subject, I will have it so.” (History of the Church, by Joseph Smith, Vol. 5, p. 296

The founders of Utah incorporated in the laws of the Territory provisions for the capital punishment of those who wilfully
shed the blood of their fellow men. This law, which is now the law of the State, granted unto the condemned murderer the privilege of choosing for himself whether he die by hanging, or whether he BE SHOT, AND THUS HAVE HIS BLOOD SHED IN HARMONY WITH THE LAW OF GOD; AND THUS ATONE, so far as it is in his power to atone, for the death of his victim. Almost without exception the condemned party chooses the latter death.” (Doctrines of Salvation, by Joseph Fielding Smith, Vol. 1, p. 136)

“The time is coming when justice will be laid to the line and righteousness to the plummet; when we shall ask, ‘Are you for God?’ and if you are not heartily on the Lord’s side, YOU WILL BE HEWN DOWN.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, page 226)

“Shall I tell you the LAW OF GOD in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the PENALTY, under the LAW OF GOD IS DEATH ON THE SPOT. This will ALWAYS BE SO.” (Journal of Discourses, v. 10, p. 110)

“And if any man mingle his seed with the seed of Cane [sic] the ownly [sic] way he could get rid of it or have salvation would be to come forward and have his head cut off & spill his Blood upon the ground it would also take the life of his children...” (Wilford Woodruff’s Journal, recording a speech by Brigham Young, January 16, 1852, typed copy; original located in LDS Church Archives).

“THIS IS LOVING OUR NEIGHBOR AS OURSELVES; if he needs help, help him; and if he wants salvation and it is NECESSARY TO SPILL HIS BLOOD on the earth in order that he may be saved, SPILL IT. Any of you who understand the principles of eternity, if you have sinned a sin REQUIRING THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD, except the sin unto death, would not be satisfied nor rest until your blood SHOULD BE SPILLED, that you might gain that salvation you desire. THAT IS THE WAY TO LOVE MANKIND.” (Sermon by Brigham Young, delivered in the Mormon Tabernacle, Feb. 8, 1857, printed in the Deseret News, Feb. 18, 1857; also reprinted in the Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, pp. 219-220)

Do you need more?

The mormons were certainly his most loyal supporters on F.R., accusing anyone who pointed out Romney’s socialist voting record and statements of being bigots. [TheThirdRuffian]

You've made the assertion. Prove it. I'm LDS and not a Romney supporter. [Myrddin]

How do you prove what went on thread after thread in 2007 and early 2008? [Note TheThirdRuffian used past tense -- "were"]

And why wouldn't FR be a microcosm of what happened in Western states (like Utah and Nevada)?

Per this 2008 exit poll data:

Exit poll data from Tuesday's primary elections showed Utah Republican voters cared more about presidential candidates' PERSONAL QUALITIES THAN THEIR POSITIONS ON THE ISSUES, the OPPOSITE OF THE NATIONAL TREND of the national trend in Super Tuesday voting.
Source: Romney's exit disappoints strong Utah following (Feb. 7, 2008 AP/Salt Lake Tribune)

Rather interesting that 94% of Mormons in both Utah and Nevada voted for Romney in 2008:

"While the former Massachusetts governor’s faith has been a flashpoint in his campaign, it was perhaps one of his strongest assets in Utah, where more than 60% of the state’s residents share his faith. Exit poll data shows Romney swept voters across the board, handily winning every social, economic, and generational demographic in the state, as well as 94% of all Mormon voters."
Source: (Susan Davis, Wall Street Journal, Feb. 5, 2008, Romney Wins Utah With Help From Friends [Note: The Wall Street Journal was citing MSNBC.msn.com...]

Per the Mormon Church, Mormons make up about 7.5% of Nevada's population. But according to the entrance polls so far, a whopping 25% of those who participated in the state's GOP caucuses are Mormons. And 94% of those people went with Romney.
Source: Nevada Mormons turn out for Romney (Mark Murray, MSNBC, Jan. 19, 2008)

Rather interesting that your fellow Utah/Nevada Mormons aren't too discerning politically, is it not?

Seems to be they were voting in lock-step for the Mormon.

Hard to believe that just coincidentally happened...

I mean, c'mon...getting 94% of anybody these days to vote as one is near impossible.

But when you have...
...a religious "do this" hierarchy...
...with a "prophet" head hauncho...
...amazing political realities can happen, right?

It is remarkable how the nation hasn’t progressed in religious tolerance in 50 years.

Tolerance...

Now THERE's a concept FOREIGN to MORMONism!

Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

Hey MORMONs!!

Do you ACCEPT or REPUDIATE the above statements made by your leaders?

They believe that a Romney presidency will promote Mormonism, which they ~~believe~~ KNOW is a cult.

Only 15% of all mormons are given this status.

Given?

GIVEN???

By GOD! At 10% tithe, I was 'given' nothing; I EARNED it!

and I had to put up with the GARMENT 24/7 as well!)

If you do not follow all the rules, become temple worthy, you are assigned to a lower level of their heaven.

"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

Romney is the highest of the high, temple worthy, in order to be there he must follow the lds line.

Oh oh....

Romney only has ONE wife; eh?

I'm LDS and not a Romney supporter.

Are you one of the 15% elite?

So far.

THAT IS THE WAY TO LOVE MANKIND.

More? You haven't even provided one example of Mormons calling for laws to kill Christians throughout the country. The closest you got was a statement in support of (universal) capital punishment for murders in Utah.

Try again.

No one cares about religion.

Keep those Epstein notes coming though ....

But wait - we are told almost daily (by mormons anyway) that romney’s religion has nothing to do with his qualifications for president. That it is bigotry to incorporate it into our evaluation of him.

Yet mormons supporters now seem to state otherwise??!?! Looks like they want to have their cake and eat it too.